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When we get Komooted
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#212tried komoot and strava, there's a flood of subscription pop upswhen you use the app, i want to use it first to see if there's any value in purchasing it. evernote is another example of this desperation to get revenue.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
How about good ol' morals? We don't need to get rid of capitalism, but how about getting the proportionality back on track? Does a single person need to make billions and billions of money? Should I, as a CEO, earn millions of dollars while my workforce can barely survive with one job? I don’t think so. This is what needs to be fixed on a global scale.
> How about good ol' morals? We don't need to get rid of capitalism, Yes we do. Capitalism, even at the somewhat attenuated level it exists in the modern mixed economy compared to the original system of the same name, creates too strong of a reward system for immoral behavior to correct the moral problems while preserving the system. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on hi…
That's true to an extent but I think that problem increases as that salary (or, more likely, capital gain) increases. So just limiting total wealth increases would likely reduce the temptation to sell out.
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#214In my opinion, all the criticism surrounding Komoot is just envy. The founders worked hard for over 15 years and have now made a well-deserved exit. People are just jealous. Period.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
It makes sense if you realize that there's no certainty a sale will go through and you don't want to pause all operations with the blind hope that a sale will happen Having said that, if someone just joined before the sale and is laid off, they should get a generous layoff package similar to longer term employees since they may have just quit a job to go there and are now back on the market.
Ironically, German law says that the first six months are a trial period for both sides, and you can be fired during that time with a two week notice for no reason.
I don't know about German law, but in Finnish law you can only appeal to the trial period if you have an acceptable reason related to the trial period. For example, if the employee isn't performing well, that is a legal reason to annul the work agreement during the trial period. But selling the business to investors or having financial difficulties because of the economy are not acceptable reasons, since they are not related to the specific recently-hired employee.
It cuts both ways: the employee can walk out during the trial period for reasons such as feeling like they didn't fit in, or the work being different from what they imagined. But if they merely find a better-paying job elsewhere, they cannot invoke the trial period but have to give notice in the usual way.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nothing unethical about: you are doing the only sane thing in this system and economics. Morons, who work themselves to death believing bosses shit-talk about “our mission” and “we are in this together” will learn it the hard way.
Try saying that on LinkedIn and watch the reactions. There is a huge difference between what you can feel and do, and what you can say.
> There is a huge difference between what you can feel and do, and what you can say.
Agree 100% - if I were to bring my authentic self to work I'd be fired in about a minute flat.
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#217A similar thing happened with the mountain bike-centric mapping app TrailForks. It was created by pinkbike.com and, while a decent app, gets msot of its value from the huge set of largely community sourced GPS data. They then went subscription for most functionality as PinkBike sold to the Outside media company. This happened quite a while ago but a large part of the community is still very upset - including me.
I'll never forget this. Tons of riders uploaded their rides, charted trails, routes, uploaded pictures... Without any of that data the app would have zero value. And if any of those riders knew that they'll do a rug pull later nobody would've upload anything. So they had to do it with a secret plan to introduce subscription abruptly, locking pretty much everyone out with a subscription and trying to justify this with "data costs money". Then they've packaged this data, along with pinkbike.com and and sold this out to outside.com. I would understand if they've say contributed the user trails to eg openstreetmaps or allowed it to be downloaded, but no, they've just taken what was yours and sold it.
This stuff should be illegal. And f them for doing it.
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#218> Unsustainable growth is not just ideology but an imperative, and it’s blatantly unsustainable. In a 2023 interview, Hallerman revealed that Komoot’s revenue was roughly split between recurring subscriptions and new users making one-time payments for map regions, with ad revenue making up a small remainder. That means they had to keep signing new users and expanding into new markets to stay in business. Komoot relie…
They had 250 employees, plus paid influencers, for a (predominantly) cycle routing app used in Europe. That’s why it was unsustainable. A realistic sized business would have been sustainable.
Which is why I mentioned the issue of scale. Seems like you are agreeing with me?
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Germany has a 6 month probation period for new hires in which both sides can terminate the contract with 2 week notice. After that, it is one month, two months after 3 years going up to 7 months after 20 years.
Hiring senior employees sounds like it requires crystal ball level planning. Are there any tricks to make growth easier?
The time that counts is when the employee is at the company, not their total employment time.
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not like there are good options out there. USSR showed what state-controlled socialism looks like, and the picture is not pretty. A most damning example is that it was impossible to leave USSR during the most of its existence, and people had to do crazy things like jump off cruise ship and swim many miles [0] just to get out of country. If I have a choice between being jailed in the country and having VCs drive…
> It's not like there are good options out there Yes, there are. > USSR showed what state-controlled socialism looks like, and the picture is not pretty. A The USSR and other Leninist-derived regimes showed what one narrow set of models of authoritarian state “socialism” looks like, sure, and its not pretty just like the pure private capitalism that was generally abandoned netween the early and mid 20th century for t…
Yeah, it's always "wrong socialism" when it's built. But the next one (after the next one, after the next one, after the next one) will be the right one and will not murder millions of people, despite the previous attempts doing exactly that. Please go away already, we had enough of suffering caused by ivory-tower theoreticians unable to perceive the reality.