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Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by tdiff »

Xylakant wrote: post #90
tdiff wrote: post #76

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> For dreams and craft, I have my side projects. In very infrequent cases can you achieve any noticeable (for society) results without being part of a large org.

That depends on what you consider noticeable. A lot of things are noticeable (and noticed) on the local level. The folks that organise reading sessions with the kids a my sons school. The people managing the local hockey club. People doing local education in IT. Organizing the neighborhood meetup. The people that do hack and tell. Blog about what they’re doing by as fun projects. They may not be known beyond their lo…

I agree, but I also see how even a regular employee in, say, space travel corp (or in pharma and so on) can consider their work to be more impactful than running a local community (even in reallity their impact is minimal).

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by skeeter2020 »

A similar thing happened with the mountain bike-centric mapping app TrailForks. It was created by pinkbike.com and, while a decent app, gets msot of its value from the huge set of largely community sourced GPS data. They then went subscription for most functionality as PinkBike sold to the Outside media company. This happened quite a while ago but a large part of the community is still very upset - including me.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by lycopodiopsida »

MarceColl wrote: post #104
benterix wrote: post #47

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Try saying that on LinkedIn and watch the reactions. There is a huge difference between what you can feel and do, and what you can say.

I saw a post recently on linkedin. A founder was saying "If you had one year to live, would you still choose to work at this company? That is the bar to join ". It was so incredibly sad.

Since slavery is forbidden, morons are the next best thing, I guess.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by klabb3 »

raffael_de wrote: post #101

I've been using Komoot a lot for bike tours in Germany and never have been particularly happy with it. It served the core purpose of telling me where to go but there were so many obvious flaws about it that I sometimes wondered if the people at Komoot actually even use it themselves. Then there is the obvious Geschmäckle of taking advantage of OSM (a free open source project) while not providing a way to give back to…

> Then there is the obvious Geschmäckle of taking advantage of OSM (a free open source project) while not providing a way to give back to it. For example marking a bridge or path as no longer functional or existent.

Something something paradox of tolerance. I don’t know exactly what type type of conditions should apply to open source data, but this shouldn’t be permitted by the license. I’m leaning more and more towards that permissive licensing (and their popularity) is basically destroying open source ”public goods”.

I’m not anti market by any means. You could provide a service and get paid for well… good service. The problem is the ”digital enclosure” where they own the data, and the social graphs. If the value of the service goes down, the value of their accumulated data remains, and can be sold as private property.

Now that copyright is near dead, due to the fair use loophole for AI, it’s getting much more adversarial, fast. Data will become much more fragmented again.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by bjackman »

A_Duck wrote: post #49
bjackman wrote: post #42

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I'm gonna copy paste a comment I wrote yesterday that I think fits perfectly here: As an engineer if you are gonna be a rank and file employee you need to do it for your own reasons. I think the main good reasons to do it are: 1. It's relatively chill and you value the stability. You deliver competence from 9-5 then go home to your family or some other thing that's more important to you than work. 2. You really enjoy…

This is a shame though. We should work towards a world where most people can find meaning in what they do. For now it can work better to be a contractor and have your 'meaning' be a positive reputation in your industry. More like being a medieval blacksmith. You don't mind what you're making, but you're known in your village by the quality of your work.

You can be in case 1 and find meaning in what you do. That's where the blacksmith is.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing a good job for 40 hours a week in return for a salary. Being a competent professional who does quality work is rewarding!

I just think if you're doing work of that nature (which _most of us are_, BTW) you need to recognise it for what it is. Don't burn yourself out trying to squeeze every drop of initiative/creativity/productivity out of yourself. Definitely don't answer emails at the weekend. Don't tolerate under-payment. Don't accept non-legally-binding promises from the boss.

Just deliver the best work you can in the time you get paid for, then stop.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by skeeter2020 »

_tbl6 wrote: post #52
dijital wrote: post #7

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The article mentions one example: https://wanderer.to/ . Haven't used it personally but seems promising (albeit less "social" than something like Strava).

Less "social" would be a feature for me. I just want one that can plan routes, track journeys, and give me directions. I don't want to be worried that I'm accidentally sharing what I'm doing/where I am with the world.

I'll do you one better: I just want the GPS data. I use https://alpinequest.net on android which is a 15 euro one-time purchase and they focus on the app, and that's all. I don't want every activity I do turn into some version of facebook.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by mooreds »

ImaCake wrote: post #66
ramon156 wrote: post #25

The more I see Bending Spoons in the news, the more I realize how shitty of a company it aims to be. I once applied to their job listing. I adored the idea of working there. Now all I can think about is "I'm glad they rejected me"

I mean they own meetup which is one of the worst platforms that has failed to die in-spite of how terrible a product it is.

Network effects + inertia are a hell of a drug.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by skeeter2020 »

pentamassiv wrote: post #11

Next years article: When We Get Bikepacked Never believe a company that you are part of a community if the content you create for them cannot be exported and published somewhere else. I am especially sceptical if someone says they never sell.

This happened to pinkbike.com when they sold out; you need to view these sites and communities as vectors. https://bikepacking.com is good right now and there are a lot of legit contributors who really care about bikes. This will change so engage how you want with open eyes.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by sorenjan »

lonelyasacloud wrote: post #73
GlacierFox wrote: post #15

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Recommend any alternatives?

RideWithGPS. No affiliation with them, but have been paying for service for years. Far less glitzy than Komoot/Strava and far less paid advertising, but for my money it's better for route planning - particularly long distance off-road - than anything else I've come across [0]. [0] a) For instance Komoot's exports for GPS head units were not accurate enough to be as helpful with picking/finding faint/overgrown trails…

Fun fact about Strava's routing, they don't support ferries, something most other alternatives like RWGPS do. They've been asked for years to support it, just as they've been asked for more than a decade to support multi sport activities, but they don't seem to care. When I was a paying Strava customer I still used RWGPS for routes.
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