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Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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That's the case only with CVT transmission

Are there still a lot of hybrids without CVTs?

Lots. BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, Volkswagen, Volvo for example.

I find it a pity that Lexus uses CVTs as I would probably sell my BMW 330e and get a Lexus.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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> My model Y can effect a very reasonable stop in traffic without touching the brake pedal except to hold the car at the end. My manual car could do this 20 years ago. My fully ICE motorcycle can do it today. I know engine braking is cool but it’s not some amazing new thing only EVs can do. Altho granted it only produces heat and noise in petrol vehicles. But it also makes your heart sing so that’s nice

I have an ICE car and motorcycle, and an EV. The EV slows down much more quickly when slowing down, to the point where it's a good replacement for the brake, as opposed to the ICE vehicles, where you need to use the brake a lot more. It's not comparable.

> The EV slows down much more quickly when slowing down, to the point where it's a good replacement for the brake

Are you comparing to an automatic ICE or a manual?

In my experience of driving EVs their engine braking is sub-par to what I'm used to at least from my motorcycle. Bikes have silly high compression compared to their weight. You def have to be careful about chopping the throttle.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Do you have any idea how many hours the average person uses their phone? There is no other object that has been a greater detriment to mental and physical health in human history. This is just another instance where someone is willing to push something (only using public transport) on someone else because it fits their viewpoint, but you can't even consider something that would have a similar impact on yourself in re…

> Do you have any idea how many hours the average person uses their phone Irrelevant on the topic of there being more efficient modes of transportation of humans in dense environments. > There is no other object that has been a greater detriment to mental and physical health in human history While potentially true, that's entirely ignoring all the extremely useful things people do with their phones. > only using publ…

For your own mental health, you need to take a breath and try and not take alternative viewpoints as personal attacks. The post I responded to referenced "efforts to try to reduce the number of cars on the roads instead of just replacing them 1:1 and calling it a day." i.e. reducing personal car ownership. Don't ignore the fact that people do extremely useful things with their cars- lifesaving activities. You obviously are attached to your phone, the same way people are attached to their personal cars. A little bit of empathy would go a long way here

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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For DIY EV conversions (I built some cars) you usually hook up the "regenerate braking" to the brakelight switch. So as soon as you tap the brake pedal just a little, you start regenerating and see the amps flow back into the battery (I have a little display on my dashboard). Only when you press the pedal further, do you start engaging the friction brakes. I have no statistics on brake pad differences because we didn…

With a manual car, it was common to downshift and use the engine to decelerate. I’m wondering if electric vehicles might actually cause a return to a third pedal to re-add some of the fine tuned controls that a manual transmission allowed. Maybe the “downshift” could engage the regen brake specifically.

Was it that common? Where I’m from that’s “winter driving mode” because it’s safer on slippery surfaces, but rarely anyone would do that in the summer time.

My EV is set on max regen mode though, and I sometimes drive without pressing the brakes, as there’s a paddle I can use to use regen for all my braking needs bar an emergency. It even has a name - single pedal driving.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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For DIY EV conversions (I built some cars) you usually hook up the "regenerate braking" to the brakelight switch. So as soon as you tap the brake pedal just a little, you start regenerating and see the amps flow back into the battery (I have a little display on my dashboard). Only when you press the pedal further, do you start engaging the friction brakes. I have no statistics on brake pad differences because we didn…

With a manual car, it was common to downshift and use the engine to decelerate. I’m wondering if electric vehicles might actually cause a return to a third pedal to re-add some of the fine tuned controls that a manual transmission allowed. Maybe the “downshift” could engage the regen brake specifically.

Some vehicles repurpose shift paddles as a way to trigger regen braking. But they're pretty gimmicky and not really useful for driving. If you want to use regen in a vehicle that supports it, the brake pedal does that. And when regen is not enough, the hydraulic brakes are also used. But a "sometimes brake" pedal that only support regen sounds like a bad idea. Vehicle controls as essential as braking need to be consistant in how they respond to input behavior.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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I suppose the same should apply to hybrid cars, which outnumber pure EVs significantly [1]. The effect comes from converting the kinetic energy back to the battery charge via generation instead of wasting it via friction, which is the whole point of hybrids. [1]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-electric...

which is the whole point of hybrids Part of the point, not the whole point. Regenerative breaking is absolutely a win; but there can also be a significant benefit from allowing the ICE to remain in the RPM "sweet spot" rather than moving around a larger range.

In order to do this with a gas engine, it can be done but you need to completely mechanically decouple the gas engine from the drivetrain. The gas engine needs to do one thing and one thing only which is charge the battery. The gas engine has maximum efficiency at about 80% throttle.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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I’m against a ban. That sort of pollution is an externality and we could price it in.

Based on the long history of trying to price in externalities, bans are probably more effective. Just look at how many games are played with carbon "credits", and how little real impact they've had.

On the other hand China didn't ban petrol but has heavy incentives for electric and is now at about 50% EVs, similarly Norway is at about 90%. Not exactly pricing the externalities but it kind of works. Like in China I think if you want a vehicle you need a permit and can get one straight away for EVs but have to wait 8 years for petrol or something like that.

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The biggest problem for new EV drivers, in my view, is that EVs generally have extremely good traction control systems that prevent chirping due to the ability to cut back power to the motors much more quickly than you can with a gas engine. What this means is that you can push tires to the absolute limit and not chirp them (which, is best for traction anyways) which absolutely roasts them. Most people associate chir…

I went through my first set of tires in 10k miles. By doing car racing (on official tracks!) every month or so. Though it might fall under the "being idiot" category.

I guess I should have caveated it as 'you won't go through a set of tires in 10k miles unknowningly'.

If you're track racing, it should be obvious you'll blow through a set of tires much faster than the treadwear ratings would suggest.

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BMW tried that with the i3, it wasn't particularly popular. An engine, fuel system and a generator are all relatively complex additions compared to just putting the same cost and vehicle space into more batteries, and the public charging networks are definitely up to the task by now (having been EV-only for almost 5 years now).

I've ridden in one and this was basically a case of "you get the worst of both worlds". The engine was small and running at a constant RPM, leading to an annoying noise in the cabin. The range extension was not particularly huge. Worse, when we did eventually run out of battery on one trip, the range extender was unable to recharge the battery after refueling the car, forcing us to scramble to find an available charg…

>> the range extender was unable to recharge the battery

Could you expand on this? What was the actual problem? For example, did the range extender start and run? Did it put any energy into the battery at all?

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Range anxiety seems to go away after your first week of EV driving.

Eh, I'd say it goes away after your first road trip, unless you're going somewhere remote. I've had my BEV for about 5 1/2 years. My first road trip (Portland -> Santa Clara, ~560 miles each way), I planned it out ahead of time with ABRP. These days, I'll just let the nav figure it out.

First time I did an EV road trip, I just plugged it straight into the car screen and followed directions. I didn't have anyone with me, and was willing to accept some degree of "adventure". I did about 800 miles in a day, and had zero real issues.

I have been totally unconcerned about it since.

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