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AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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AI is following the drug dealer model. “The first dose is free!” Given the cost incurred, lots of dark patterns will be coming for sure.

Well maybe not. Thanks that we have Gemini now to compete with ChatGPT. Competition may avoid dark patterns. But without competition yes definitely

Competition or not, dark patterns or not - sooner or later LLMs will need to earn money for their corporations.

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What current incentive is left for people to publish on the internet?

Discovery mechanisms are less effective than before, people no longer visit your website, copyright is dead and in the end we're just feeding an insatiable machine with slave labour. Or am I missing something ?

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Well maybe not. Thanks that we have Gemini now to compete with ChatGPT. Competition may avoid dark patterns. But without competition yes definitely

Competition or not, dark patterns or not - sooner or later LLMs will need to earn money for their corporations.

But they do? Paid subscriptions for Gemini, ChatGPT and Copilot are a thing.

If Google throws in a free AI summary in their search it only helps promoting Gemini in the long run.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Here is the experience when clicking a link on mobile: * Page loads, immediately when I start scrolling and reading a popup trying to get tracking consent * If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only". When unlucky I need to click "manage options" and first see how to reject all tracking * There is a sticky banner on top/bottom taking 20-30% of my screen upselling me a subscription or asking me to install their app. U…

I use Firefox with standard security options and the uBlock Origin Add-On on my Android phone and I virtually never see what you describe, bar the tracking consent nag screen ofc. Maybe we visit vastly different web content? I guess if my experience was as much degraded as yours I wouldn't bother with the web anymore, so yay for AI summarizers, at least for the time being. And don't get me wrong, a summarizer is a wo…

There is an extension called "I still don't care about cookies" that mostly solves the nag screens (There's also a similar one that doesn't have the "still" in its name but that one was bought by an ad company and enshittified.) AFAIU it usually accepts the cookies though, so you should combine it with something that clears your cookies periodically.

Sometimes it breaks the site so that you can't scroll or something, but that's quite rare. And most of the time it's solved by a refresh. Very infrequently you need to whitelist the site and then deal with the nag screen manually. A bit annoying, but way better than rawdogging it.

Works on desktop & mobile.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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post #366

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I use Firefox with standard security options and the uBlock Origin Add-On on my Android phone and I virtually never see what you describe, bar the tracking consent nag screen ofc. Maybe we visit vastly different web content? I guess if my experience was as much degraded as yours I wouldn't bother with the web anymore, so yay for AI summarizers, at least for the time being. And don't get me wrong, a summarizer is a wo…

There is an extension called "I still don't care about cookies" that mostly solves the nag screens (There's also a similar one that doesn't have the "still" in its name but that one was bought by an ad company and enshittified.) AFAIU it usually accepts the cookies though, so you should combine it with something that clears your cookies periodically. Sometimes it breaks the site so that you can't scroll or something,…

No need to use a specific extension, uBlock Origin is all you need. Just enable the "Easy List/uBO - Cookie Notices" filter from the filters list (the default is off).

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>* If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only".* I never use those. I suspect that in many cases if there are "legitimate interest" options¹ those will remain opted-in. ---- [1] which I read as "we see your preference not to be stalked online, but fuck you and your silly little preferences we want to anyway"

That is such a silly stupid thing in the GDPR consent. - "Please don't track me." - "But what if we realllly want to?" A normal response to that would be an even more resounding FCK NO, but somehow the EU came to the completely opposite conclusion.

Claiming tracking cookies as "necessary" is often illegal under the GDPR. This is an enforcement problem, not a problem with the law itself, or the EU.

"Necessary" means "necessary for fulfilment of the contract". Your name and address are necessary data when you order off Amazon, your clickstream is not.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

#369

Here is the experience when clicking a link on mobile: * Page loads, immediately when I start scrolling and reading a popup trying to get tracking consent * If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only". When unlucky I need to click "manage options" and first see how to reject all tracking * There is a sticky banner on top/bottom taking 20-30% of my screen upselling me a subscription or asking me to install their app. U…

I make the point of leaving right away, I hope some metric somewhere is showing them or that it screws with their SEO...

I might come back later though.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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And don’t try to exit or you’ll get another pop up “why are you leaving? Please don’t go”

Sometimes they hack the back navigation function and present their own clone of Google Discover feed. If you are not careful you might end up in a different feed.

Or sending you back to their home page...
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