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You don't engine brake with the clutch, you engine brake by downshifting and using the higher engine RPM in lower gears to brake the car via wasted compression.
And that downshifting involves a clutch operation, moving the engine into a higher RPM. That most certainly wears down the clutch, talking as someone who's replaced quite a few of them.
Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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Wow. Well, I like that the people that think like this also probably live I places where you are actually driving a coal powered car. Like the clowns in Hawaii that have extra subsidies for EVs… their power comes directly from burning crude oil. I’m an automotive EE, and and the truth about EVs is in a rush to push them out the door, the media and politicians have set the tech back at least a decade by pretending it…
I don't agree with a ban, but burning crude oil (are you sure about that, it's usually refined at least a little?) can have centralised carbon capture and filtration, whereas cars pretty much just pump it straight out. Luckily they made the smoke invisible so it's ok, almost like it's not even there!
Exactly, as long as no one sees it, it isn’t happening. Same with them burning plastic and trash.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#223We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.
If all of us renters were forced to convert to electric there’d never be an open charger in any city again for the next five years, because no landlord will voluntarily afford that cost, and no municipal region can pass a ballot measure to afford that cost. California’s impending ban of combustion car sales hinges wholly on a magical DC-charging network that doesn’t exist in U.S. cities yet (i.e. at parking meters),…
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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Depends on how you drive. I never engine braked on my manual. Brakes are easy to replace. Clutches are not.
You don't engine brake with the clutch, you engine brake by downshifting and using the higher engine RPM in lower gears to brake the car via wasted compression.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't engine brake with the clutch, you engine brake by downshifting and using the higher engine RPM in lower gears to brake the car via wasted compression.
And that downshifting involves a clutch operation, moving the engine into a higher RPM. That most certainly wears down the clutch, talking as someone who's replaced quite a few of them.
Also, I have never ever had to replace a clutch, and I drive my cars way past 100k miles.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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And manual transmission cars kinda, though the energy is still wasted of course
Depends on how you drive. I never engine braked on my manual. Brakes are easy to replace. Clutches are not.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#227I suppose the same should apply to hybrid cars, which outnumber pure EVs significantly [1]. The effect comes from converting the kinetic energy back to the battery charge via generation instead of wasting it via friction, which is the whole point of hybrids. [1]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-electric...
which is the whole point of hybrids Part of the point, not the whole point. Regenerative breaking is absolutely a win; but there can also be a significant benefit from allowing the ICE to remain in the RPM "sweet spot" rather than moving around a larger range.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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Depends on how you drive. I never engine braked on my manual. Brakes are easy to replace. Clutches are not.
engine braking does not have any effect on the clutch, other than while downshifting, which if you're blipping/rev-matching has practically no effect
Not saying it's smart but when predictably decelerating on the highway I sometimes shift gears by rev matching and changing without even touching the clutch, for the fun of it.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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> Effectiveness of regenerative braking depends on having an extremely large battery that can sink enough current to stop the car. An EV can do that, hybrids at best help the brakes out some. You just can't charge the battery fast enough doing anything but a very slow rolling stop. This seems a bit exaggerated. Staying regenerative-only does require sticking to about half or so of how fast I could stop, but so far th…
100% of possible system capacity to accept regenerative charge on a smaller battery system will be a smaller absolute number than 100% of possible on a larger battery. If you assume everything else is constant, motor, inverter, battery C-rating etc.
Bigger battery is more capacity sure. But their point was that even without a big battery they have enough capacity to get close to maximum effectiveness, contrary to ajross saying that a hybrid's capacity is "not really" effective and "at best" helps "some".
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#230I always use the cruise control to decelerate and accelerate. Anyone else has that habit?