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Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #55
stouset wrote: post #50

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Public EV chargers are pretty widespread nowadays. Not as much as gas chargers obviously, but for most people in the country if you don't have a way to charge at home it's not fundamentally that different from not having a gas pump at your house. Plus, most people can charge at home with an extension cord. It's not particularly fast, but you should be able to get 4-5 miles an hour. In the worst case scenario where yo…

Popularity has costs, some are waiting in line for 45 minutes to use a fast charger. EV is not for everyone, but those Rivian are nice though. =3

Walmart has some gigantic amount of sites under construction or in permitting at many of their stores, and many are being built by other operators too. Charging proliferation hasn't slowed down.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

throwaway473825 wrote: post #78
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #38

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Sure, first we spend a trillion dollars for over capacity electrical distribution grids and generation plants. B100 is almost carbon neutral, and has the energy density necessary for commercial logistics. Finding responsible manufacturing methods is far more feasible. EV only make sense with distributed generation like home solar. =3

Biodiesel doesn't solve the pollution problem. It's also very expensive, and often produced in an unsustainable way.

I like the company looking at a genetically engineered solution, and waste organic matter conversion.

It is cleaner from a sulfur content and long-term carbon cycle perspective, but is very similar to regular fuels.

The dilemma is whether B100 it more difficult to scale than trying to retool our entire global energy infrastructure with finite rare earth metals. =3

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by Quitschquat »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #74
Quitschquat wrote: post #56

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Well if you have a Tesla, I believe you can sit in it and it offers games to play on its iPad to kill the time.

Everytime I fill my truck up, I’m at the gas station thinking “man, I wish I could just hang out here for two hours!!”

I’m keeping my Tacoma forever

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by Graziano_M »

tshaddox wrote: post #58
Graziano_M wrote: post #46

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I’m against a ban. That sort of pollution is an externality and we could price it in.

The externalities are all the costs of medical problems and deaths due to pollution, as well as reduced property values due to polluted areas being less desirable. For the former I’d say a ban is appropriate, unless you’re suggesting to somehow literally clean the polluted air and pay for it with a gas automobile tax.

I mean even campfires and smoking in public have negative externalities which cause cancer. The marginal cost of each is tiny and probably hard to price, but it has a price. Adding this price would slightly offset the cost but more importantly act as a disincentive for buying a polluting vehicle.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #91
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Popularity has costs, some are waiting in line for 45 minutes to use a fast charger. EV is not for everyone, but those Rivian are nice though. =3

Walmart has some gigantic amount of sites under construction or in permitting at many of their stores, and many are being built by other operators too. Charging proliferation hasn't slowed down.

Indeed, the entire community is paying to upgrade the grid to support that infrastructure. =3

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by DangitBobby »

jjayj wrote: post #33
rayiner wrote: post #16

We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I would love to have gone electric (bought a car in September) but I rent and don't have any way to charge at my residence. How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

You could possibly have come to an arrangement about getting a 50 Amp (think dryer plug) hookup in the garage and provided your own charger. Also depending on your driving patterns a trickle charger in a 20 Amp socket may have worked for you as well. Mine takes about 48 hours for a full charge on the trickle charger.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by jeffbee »

ajross wrote: post #88
nine_k wrote: post #41

I suppose the same should apply to hybrid cars, which outnumber pure EVs significantly [1]. The effect comes from converting the kinetic energy back to the battery charge via generation instead of wasting it via friction, which is the whole point of hybrids. [1]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-electric...

To some extent, but not really. Effectiveness of regenerative braking depends on having an extremely large battery that can sink enough current to stop the car. An EV can do that, hybrids at best help the brakes out some. You just can't charge the battery fast enough doing anything but a very slow rolling stop. My model Y can effect a very reasonable stop in traffic without touching the brake pedal except to hold the…

In normal driving hybrid regen is more than enough to do the job. Just look at the front wheels of any Prius. There are reasons all the Uber drivers choose the Prius.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by dyselon »

ajross wrote: post #88
nine_k wrote: post #41

I suppose the same should apply to hybrid cars, which outnumber pure EVs significantly [1]. The effect comes from converting the kinetic energy back to the battery charge via generation instead of wasting it via friction, which is the whole point of hybrids. [1]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-electric...

To some extent, but not really. Effectiveness of regenerative braking depends on having an extremely large battery that can sink enough current to stop the car. An EV can do that, hybrids at best help the brakes out some. You just can't charge the battery fast enough doing anything but a very slow rolling stop. My model Y can effect a very reasonable stop in traffic without touching the brake pedal except to hold the…

We finally gave up our Prius after 12 years, and we never changed the brakes once. The brakes were just peeking into the yellow on its last service upgrade. I was really impressed with how well the "normal" hybrid could take advantage of regenerative breaking, honestly.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #79
rayiner wrote: post #16

We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

Wow. Well, I like that the people that think like this also probably live I places where you are actually driving a coal powered car. Like the clowns in Hawaii that have extra subsidies for EVs… their power comes directly from burning crude oil. I’m an automotive EE, and and the truth about EVs is in a rush to push them out the door, the media and politicians have set the tech back at least a decade by pretending it…

There are more benefits to EV conversion in a community than the use of renewable energy, noise and roadside air quality being pretty big ones. Also... how do you know there aren't Hawaiians charging their EVs using rooftop solar? I hear they're known for being in the sun sometimes.
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