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George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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Capitalism is only possible where knowledge is shared unequally. For example, if many people knew how to obtain the proper license or whatever and where to go to buy wholesale, then they would bypass retailers entirely. Similarly, if many people had knowledge about how to start a business and knew several friendly venture capitalists or bank officers, many of them would start their own businesses and there would be f…

> Capitalism is only possible where knowledge is shared unequally.

Not true! If everyone had access to a magical worldwide pool of all the economically relevant information that exists in the mind of any member of the human race (along with a search engine or something to let us index and query the data for effective use), there would probably be more trade, not less -- it would be easier to identify opportunities and connect buyers and sellers. The Internet did this, to a first approximation -- there are all kinds of niche products you can buy on the Internet.

> For example, if many people knew how to obtain the proper license or whatever and where to go to buy wholesale, then they would bypass retailers entirely.

Sam's Club, eBay, Newegg, overstock.com -- there are lots of ways for ordinary people to avoid paying retail. Many people do frequent these websites; retail is dying.

> Similarly, if many people had knowledge about how to start a business and knew several friendly venture capitalists or bank officers, many of them would start their own businesses and there would be few people to do the actual work.

For the first 100+ years of America's existence as an independent country, most Americans were small businesspeople -- farmers, mostly. The notion that working for someone else is the norm, and having your own business is the exception, only happened with the Industrial Revolution, when new technology shifted the economy toward businesses that required lots of workers and capital.

Since the Internet/software world is one of the major growth areas of the economy, and doesn't require any capital investment beyond a computer, an Internet connection, and (rather optional) formal training in the field, we're seeing that many people are choosing to start small businesses as individuals or small teams with minimal capital.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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I disagree. Capitalism in its current state is heavily based on securing advantages, meaning it's only fair in areas which are new and not saturated by established players.

Three beautiful words to a capitalist: "Sustainable competitive advantage."

> it's only fair in areas which are new and not saturated by established players.

What is your definition of "fairness," and why should we care whether it is a property of capitalism?

I think you're saying something like "capitalism encourages incumbents to build fences to keep newcomers out."

That's true. Antitrust law exists to discourage certain types of fences that we find undesirable.

But other types of fences are perfectly OK -- for example, AMD and Intel spend hundreds of millions, if not billions, every year on R&D to keep raising their technology head-start fence, to keep competing chip vendors out of their markets. The result from the consumer's point of view is a virtuous cycle of continually improving products at the same price point from these industry leaders, with a "long tail" starting with successively older generations of obsolete processors on the secondary market, down to much cheaper ARM's which have much lower performance but are perfectly adequate for many applications.

If incumbents can always build fences so strong that they are invulnerable:

How did Google win against Yahoo?

How did cable providers win against over-the-air TV networks?

How did Netflix kill Blockbuster?

How did Microsoft triumph over IBM?

When incumbents fence themselves in, times are good for them for a little while -- but usually the incumbents end up as slow, fat targets for fast-moving, lean startups.

This is especially true once the management team that established the incumbents has moved on or retired, and their replacements listen when the accountants tell them how much money they can make if they raise prices, cut costs, or reduce their investment in fences.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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I don't actually agree with that. Capitalism is ruthless. The winners do put the losers out of business. That's the moral justification for IP: without regulatory intervention, the winners are often not the generators of the IP. That has become more true in the age of the Internet, where a lot of natural monopolies are emerging, but it was probably always true. Size begets growth, coalition-building is inevitable (le…

Michael, I live in Silicon Valley and grew up most of my life in Israel and Europe (France). All I can say is honestly Americans don't even know how good they have it. France is doing so bad I don't even know where to start. They barely have any innovation and whatever they have comes from companies that have been in power for decades. France made it so easy to get welfare and taxes so high (40-50%) that it's better…

> They hate the 1% (which created a lot of jobs and innovation) for no good reason.

Envy and covetousness aren't "good" reasons, but they are certainly reasons humans have used to hate each other throughout history.

> France made it so easy to get welfare and taxes so high (40-50%) that it's better to collect welfare then actually do any work

Romney's ad criticizing Obama's rollback of the requirement established under President Clinton, that welfare recipients must actively look for work, speaks to exactly this point.

I wonder if technology will ever make this model sustainable -- if we have most of our farms, factories and mines run by robots and computers with minimal human intervention, could we produce enough food, clothing, shelter, and basic necessities for everyone if the only people who work are those who wish to do so?

The reason Republicans have produced mediocre candidates for a while is that the party has too many constituencies: You have the religious right (mainly concerned about moral decay and social issues, think Huckabee), the neocon faction (pro-big-government and foreign policy hawks, think GWB), and the libertarians (Tea Party, Ron Paul -- mainly in favor of smaller government and lower taxes).

Their traditional base is dwindling; a near-majority of people don't pay any federal taxes, so can't be bribed by tax cuts and are very uncomfortable with social-program cuts. Religion is on the decline. We haven't suffered any major terrorist attacks lately, and GWB's wars have left many interventionists with a sour taste in their mouths. So they're trying to reach out to new constituencies; in this election cycle, it's immigrants and women, judging by the convention speeches.

We need a strong candidate who can fix the mess before we become locked circling the drain that France has gone down. It's hard to see this candidate coming from either party.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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Also; engineers should be aware of genetic algorithms which work so well they are used by NASA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna ). Anyone who doesn't understand evolution is a fact is basically being willfully ignorant at this point.

OT, but: "[they] work so well they are used by NASA" is hardly an argument. NASA can also use piss poor technology. Remember that Challenger disaster? Plus, wasn't NASA that did the BS publicity stunt of the supposed discovery of "life based on arsenic"?

They've also been used to design analog-to-digital converters that work better than hand-designed A/D converters. The kicker is that we don't know exactly how they work, nor have we proven that they are "correct." But we've tested them enough that we're confident enough to ship them in products.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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post #62
post #11

I disagree. Capitalism in its current state is heavily based on securing advantages, meaning it's only fair in areas which are new and not saturated by established players.

Three beautiful words to a capitalist: "Sustainable competitive advantage." > it's only fair in areas which are new and not saturated by established players. What is your definition of "fairness," and why should we care whether it is a property of capitalism? I think you're saying something like "capitalism encourages incumbents to build fences to keep newcomers out." That's true. Antitrust law exists to discourage c…

Yes, there is no right for resting on your past achievements, there is arguably a fair way of getting advantages secured for a limited amount of time: innovation, adding to others innovations, combining others works, opening new markets. And the other "unfair" way: patent-abuse, monopolies, cartels, copycats with no added value, lobbying for the gains of a few who are already better off. Some of that has been made illegal some of it just feels morally wrong. Basically it comes down to moral norms, which society can turn into laws if considered important enough by a majority. Its all comes down to finding a balance, economics will never be perfect or fair for all, but I consider it the goal of politics to be getting it closer to that ideal state which should be beneficial to all in the long run.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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I don't actually agree with that. Capitalism is ruthless. The winners do put the losers out of business. That's the moral justification for IP: without regulatory intervention, the winners are often not the generators of the IP. That has become more true in the age of the Internet, where a lot of natural monopolies are emerging, but it was probably always true. Size begets growth, coalition-building is inevitable (le…

Michael, I live in Silicon Valley and grew up most of my life in Israel and Europe (France). All I can say is honestly Americans don't even know how good they have it. France is doing so bad I don't even know where to start. They barely have any innovation and whatever they have comes from companies that have been in power for decades. France made it so easy to get welfare and taxes so high (40-50%) that it's better…

The bottom 4/5 of "the 1%" (and the next 19%) are the job creators and where innovation and disposable income (going back into capitalism) live.

The top-0.2% or so (and the distinction has more to do with social topology than income; many of them are not earning top-0.2% incomes) are a well-connected set of parasites who produce little innovation, hamper society by pushing the status quo, and generally produce no value. Yes, we have an upper-class problem in this society but it's not only about money. Income inequality is a symptom, but it's about connections.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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Instincts are all well and good. The problems arise when they get out of control: whether it's the instinct for food, the instinct for sex, the instinct for more, the instinct for curiosity. When you are in control of your instincts, things work. When your instincts run you, you're headed for trouble. Greed, under control, can be valuable. Greed uber alles, leads to parasites like Romney getting filthily richer by do…

> parasites like Romney getting filthily richer by doing things like bankrupting KP Toys. If you're a major league batter, sometimes you strike out, but at the end of the day you still get paid. If you're a Senator, sometimes your bill gets defeated because your party simply doesn't have the votes, but at the end of the day you still get credit for fighting for it. Beating up on Romney for not being able to bat 1000…

I'm not beating up on him for not batting 1000, I'm beating up on him for being a looter. KP was a solid, profitable company. Bain bought it, saddled it with debt (shame on the bankters, too), paid themselves massive management fees and "dividend". They made lots of "profit" from this exercise, but left a lot of people much worse off.

I have no problem whatsoever with people making a lot of money.

Re: George Gilder: Capitalism is based on information and knowledge, not greed

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"Microsoft won that one, despite loosing." (sic) please explain?

I read it as: "By bundling IE with Windows, abusing (illegal) the Windows monopoly (legal) MS managed to basically kill Netscape... Despite losing the legal battle and being --forever-- regarded as a company that did abuse its monopoly to drive out a competitor". It's not about IE vs Chrome, it's not about IE vs Safari. It's not about whatever-MS-mobile-OS vs Android vs iOS. It's about IE vs Netscape and MS (illegall…

Yes, that sums up what I meant.

Also, if you look at browser stats even today, arguably IE has an "unfair" share of the market -- but such things are hard to be certain of ("What is a 'fair' market share for the now much, much improved IE browser?").

The biggest thing MS did was probably to give away the browser for free, subsidizing the development of the browser, with profits from windows licences. That dumping effort effectively killed the market for (paid for) browsers -- eventually even Opera gave up charging end users for its browser.

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