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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by senderista »

SadTrombone wrote: post #469
ngruhn wrote: post #457

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What are you talking about? There's plenty to criticize Israel for but this is just hyperbolic nonsense.

How so? It's common knowledge that the nascent IDF absorbed terrorist organizations like the Irgun and Lehi into their ranks and gave them autonomy to operate as they had been. Leaders of these terrorist organizations went on to join the highest ranks of Israeli leadership. David Ben-Gurion being one of many (his Haganah cooperated closely with the Irgun and Lehi as they committed kidnappings, bombings and murders).…

At the very least, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t call Begin a terrorist given the King David Hotel bombing, and he of course went on to become PM of Israel. The Irgun he led was also responsible for atrocities against Palestinian civilians like the Deir Yassin massacre, which Haganah definitely opposed.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by tavavex »

tguvot wrote: post #627
skybrian wrote: post #551

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A big difference is that in 2022, an estimated five million Ukrainian refugees fled to other parts of Europe - which is more than twice as large as Gaza's entire population. Similarly, many Syrians fled the war there. We could ask why there aren't more Palestinian refugees who fled to other countries? As far as I can tell, leaving Gaza is very difficult, and nobody really talks about making it easier.

it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. and trumps plan that talks about voluntary migration out of gaza is been described as genocide and ethnic cleansing (btw, 75% of them actually registered as refugees by unrwa for past many decades) i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. in case of ukrainian refugees it was widely discussed th…

> it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans.

Isn't it both? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but it seems like anyone who's born on that land will find it almost impossible to leave. Both countries that have land borders with Gaza will usually not admit locals, except in very few exceptions. Even someone trying to transit through Israel to other countries would probably not be able to. Their sea and airspace, things that are seen in other countries as open windows to the rest of the world, are controlled by Israel. And their own government sometimes acts to prevent people from leaving. So, even if some countries accepted their refugees, I don't see how an average Gazan would be able to get there. It's not quite North Korea-level of difficulty, but it's up there.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by landl0rd »

skybrian wrote: post #639
tguvot wrote: post #627

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it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. and trumps plan that talks about voluntary migration out of gaza is been described as genocide and ethnic cleansing (btw, 75% of them actually registered as refugees by unrwa for past many decades) i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. in case of ukrainian refugees it was widely discussed th…

I don't know what's involved, but if no one is willing to accept Gazans then it seems like that might be a practical difficulty?

Hmm why do many countries not want to accept Palestinians?

- Supported Saddam in Kuwait

- Supported Saddam in Iraq

- Massacred Christians in Lebanon

- Tried to overthrow Jordan

- Caused chaos in Syria

- Destabilized Libya

- Aligned with iranian axis despite gulf states (eg Saudi) hosting at that time

- Complained about Egypt-Israel peace despite the former being the only country to send men to die for them

- Sent jihadists into Sinai

- Ran military ops out of Tunis after Tunisia agreed to host Arafat causing Tunis to get bombed

- Repeatedly militarized "refugee camps"

Like whether what israel is doing is wrong (it is) is independent of whether or not the palestinians kinda suck (they do)

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rtkwe wrote: post #428
bryanlarsen wrote: post #84

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It's not a coup if you stay in power illegally, it's a self-coup. 2020 was a coup attempt because Trump gave up power and then tried to give it back. He's not going to make that same mistake again. He'll just attempt to stay in power via self-coup. Unlike coup's which are distinct events, self-coup's are usually shades of grey. They happen through democratic backsliding, which usually consists of a large number of sm…

You'd have to overthrow parts of the US government to keep power for a 3rd term I'd still call that a coup even if it's coming from inside the house. Coups rarely come from entirely external forces, the military basically always has a major role in deciding if a coup is successful even if it's just staying neutral and seeing where the chips fall.

Trump has already "overthrown" the executive on every major part of the US government using executive, judicial and legislative processes. Sometimes this has been illegal (ex FCC). Nobody calls it a coup.

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Post by laurent_du »

kennywinker wrote: post #670
bobnotbob wrote: post #625

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If only there was some way to exchange one type of an asset, such a motorcycle, to another, such as food... Too bad nothing like this was invented yet.

If everyone is starving, good luck finding someone who values a motorcycle more than food.

The obesity rate in Gaza is among the largest in the world. Let's stop pretending everyone is starving.

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Post by leptons »

duxup wrote: post #261
jzb wrote: post #159

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"Love the fetus, hate the mother and child"

Recently I saw a vehicle with a "you are loved" sticker on it, jesus fish, and then a whole series of stickers that describe when they would like to commit violent acts against the reader if they did or said things the owner doesn't like. It really seemed to fit the atmosphere around those folks these days.

It's called "cognitive dissonance" and they've been practicing it for a very long time.

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Post by kennywinker »

busterarm wrote: post #614
kennywinker wrote: post #527

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> This is basically just criticizing Israel for having the means. No, it’s criticizing israel for the will, the means, and the action of murdering tens of thousands and starving millions. > Hamas, who run Gaza, want to "Globalize the Intifada" and bring violence to Jews worldwide This is one interpretation of that phrase. Intifada means roughly “shaking off”. A call for international support for shaking off the oppre…

> This is one interpretation of that phrase. And I could always say "the final solution" is referring to my math homework. In the context of the Palestinian occupation, intifada ALWAYS is meant as violent. There is no other interpretation. Pretending that it doesn't is both bad faith and classic taqiyya.

> The First Intifada was characterized by protests, general strikes, economic boycotts, and riots[1]

Sounds like violence was a small component of the first intifada. So, tell me again how it always means violence? And also how did you get from violence against israeli occupation to violence against all jews?

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalize_the_intifada

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by laurent_du »

regnull wrote: post #554
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted i…

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Post by landl0rd »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #619
kindkang2024 wrote: post #563

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> To ask Palestine government to do anything meaningful, yes, they have done a lot Yes, but still not enough, or its people's survival will not depend on the kindness of others. In my opinion, it's not a competent government, at least based on its performance so far.

Palestine has been under illegal military occupation for 58 years [1], it is not exactly an independent government in control of its territory. It is the duty of the occupying power to ensure the safety of the civilians within the territory it has occupied. A duty Israel, with its use of starvation as a weapon of war and habit of shooting medics in the back of the head, is obviously not fulfilling. [1] https://www.ic…

The PLO hasn't even run elections for a couple decades. It is notoriously corrupt. I don't really see how ignoring that out of "solidarity" is supposed to practically help the palestinians.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Tostino »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #384
nsypteras wrote: post #295

1984: U.S. withdraws. 2003: U.S. rejoins. 2011: U.S. stops paying dues after Palestine joins. 2017: U.S. announces withdrawal (effective end of 2018). 2023: U.S. rejoins, pledges to repay dues. 2025: U.S announces withdrawal Seems to be a revolving door

If you abandon it completely something else might rise up - but funding/participating only up to a point, it works to suppress it - see Ukraine aid policies aswell

Look at the years, and see how they match up with the administration in power...
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