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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by kennywinker »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #576
kennywinker wrote: post #468

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FUD designed to allow the genocide to continue. In short: gazans are all issued ID numbers at birth. The ministry of health has published id numbers of the dead, which means you can do stats and tell if the data is fake. On top of that, so far (afaik since 2009 when hamas came to power) nobody has caught them in a lie. So they’ve a track record of telling the truth, and give us data that we can smell-test for fraud a…

No, they claim that a much higher percentage of those killed was civilians then was really was

And you know this because?

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Post by ajross »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #387
pkilgore wrote: post #323

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Obama didn't do anything (other than follow the law at the time): https://web.archive.org/web/20141224180231/https://foreignpo...

Sure, it was a Democrat president enforcing laws passed by a Democrat-controlled House and Senate in 1990 and 1994, under at least one Democrat president. There are no real "sides" when it comes to the U.S. and Israel. Every party bends the knee and kisses the wall. It’s one big club, and we’re not in it.

Did you... look up the override votes that failed in 2011 to see what the partisan breakdown was?

I know it makes you feel good to imagine a world of enemies, and "every party bends the knee and kiss the wall" is some top notch imagery. But in the real world you have allies in this particular fight, and working against them is in fact doing the opposite of what you claim to want.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

tguvot wrote: post #617
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by FireBeyond »

bulletsvshumans wrote: post #327
FireBeyond wrote: post #243

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Prosperity gospel. And religious people like to point to charitable giving. But studies performed by religious organizations themselves (who, if anything, are likely to skew the numbers more positively) show that across the board, "Local and national benevolence receives 1 percent of the typical church budget," and an additional 5% goes to "church-run programs" (be it after-school care, social, or group activities).…

Your link is broken. Please fix as I'm very curious to review the evidence here.

Too late to edit, but: http://web.archive.org/web/20141019033209/https://www.eccu.o...

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Post by kindkang2024 »

lawlessone wrote: post #600
kindkang2024 wrote: post #563

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> To ask Palestine government to do anything meaningful, yes, they have done a lot Yes, but still not enough, or its people's survival will not depend on the kindness of others. In my opinion, it's not a competent government, at least based on its performance so far.

What are they supposed to do here exactly?

I do not know exactly, since I do not work there. Those in charge and empowered have a duty to find a way out and protect their people (forgiveness and peace).

As for me, I’m just an ordinary person, believing that all lives matter worldwide. And if many innocents continue to die meaninglessly, I consider their governments incompetent for the job.

Are you suggesting that they (just to clarify, I’m referring to the government leaders, not the maliciously misinterpreted starving innocents) are competent and that all the other governments are to blame?

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Post by lupusreal »

DSingularity wrote: post #413
lupusreal wrote: post #391

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More accurately, it's because of Israel and the Israeli lobby in America. It isn't Palestine that's inducing America to leave UNESCO, it's Israel and Israel's supporters who are doing it, to protest UNESCO's recognition of Palestine.

The Israeli lobby is a proxy for American weapon manufacturers that found being in bed with savage Zionists good for business.

That's part of it, but a relatively small part of it. Most of it is Christians who think they can force apocalyptic prophecies to come true by ensuring Israel's continued existence. The nature of their belief is such that it doesn't matter how badly Israel behaves, they will unconditionally support them.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

kennywinker wrote: post #592
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #494

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Does UNESCO not recognize ukraine? What action would you like them to have taken to prevent deaths in ukrain? I called the US complicit, not unesco.

I know you did. I'm saying that, by your standards, UNESCO is complicit, because they are not doing enough to stop the war in Ukraine. (See other comments about how focused they are on Palestine as opposed to Ukraine.)

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Post by ajross »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #214
fuzzylightbulb wrote: post #9

This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together, able only to destroy what others have made. On the bright side, it isn't effective until December 31, 2026 so there is plenty of time to chicken out.

Some history is called for here. The UNESCO issue extends far beyond Trump. Under the Obama administration, the US stopped financing UNESCO in 2011(!) after it voted to include Palestine as a member state that year. The Trump administration decided to withdraw fully from the agency in 2017. The Biden administration rejoined UNESCO in 2023 and agreed to pay it $600 million(!) in back dues. Now, the Trump administratio…

The 2011 thing keeps getting cited in this thread, but it's wrong. The funding was cut because of what amounts to a booby-trap condition in pre-existing legislation. And they tried to get it overturned by it was blocked in congress.

In fact this is an almost perfectly partisan issue, and the 2011 canard is giving cover to some horrifying both-sidesism.

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Post by skybrian »

tguvot wrote: post #627
skybrian wrote: post #551

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A big difference is that in 2022, an estimated five million Ukrainian refugees fled to other parts of Europe - which is more than twice as large as Gaza's entire population. Similarly, many Syrians fled the war there. We could ask why there aren't more Palestinian refugees who fled to other countries? As far as I can tell, leaving Gaza is very difficult, and nobody really talks about making it easier.

it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. and trumps plan that talks about voluntary migration out of gaza is been described as genocide and ethnic cleansing (btw, 75% of them actually registered as refugees by unrwa for past many decades) i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. in case of ukrainian refugees it was widely discussed th…

I don't know what's involved, but if no one is willing to accept Gazans then it seems like that might be a practical difficulty?

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Post by tguvot »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #622
tguvot wrote: post #617

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That's an amazingly obtuse distinction to make about an area that is being systematically starved. I don't know, maybe you think they're eating too much fast food or sugary drinks? Probably they need to make more exercise, right?

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