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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Workaccount2 »

DSingularity wrote: post #411
Workaccount2 wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's what happened to Japan, but at least the emperor had the wherewithal to not kill japans civilian population, which had been trained and armed for a mainland invasion.

Aside from your despicable lack of humanity you aren’t even making a valid comparison to begin with. You are comparing fighting an armed nation (Japan) to refugees exercising their right to resist a foreign occupation.

Lack of humanity?

My friend, if Hamas surrendered tomorrow, the death would stop. They have no allies, they have no support, the war is over. It's now just how much of their own people they are willing to grind up. Western liberals on the keyboards are not going to stop Israel. The fractured and shattered Islamic middle east is not going to stop Israel.

End the war, give up the land, and take the offer from Israel for first class tickets for every Palestinian to go live in Iran. Get your diplomacy and ideology straight, and maybe in 50 years your will have the economy and military needed to go take it back from Israel, and then they can be the ones to bend over for peace.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Apocryphon »

glitchc wrote: post #354
pinewurst wrote: post #305

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China especially cares about its Uyghur people, providing them with paternal supervision, excellent vocational camps, and even providing guests to live with families.

That's called whataboutism. China's internal problems are for China to solve. If you have an opinion, why not go over and advise them on what to do?

Sure, and it’s usually more conducive to do so under the aegis of an international body that can claim some measure of neutrality, rather than as a private individual from a rival nation-state.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by runako »

kjksf wrote: post #400
runako wrote: post #356

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The US just signed a new law that will expand the deficit further. (I'll leave as an exercise to determine whether the increase from the law is > or A government that does not collect sufficient taxes to fund its priorities can somehow always claim that funds are scarce. But that's a) a choice and b) can be rectified any time by shifting priorities (see: military budget, for ex.) or collecting more revenue. It's fine…

I still intellectually can't parse the argument: yeah, we're in debt therefore it's fine to spend on stuff we don't need. If you're ok with increasing debt to fund UN (and thousand other things) then come out and say so. BTW: I would love to hear which wars did UN stop? It seems to me that recently US, not UN, stopped Houthis from bombing ships, stopped India-Pakistan conflict, derailed Iran's nuclear plans and is ma…

> If you're ok with increasing debt to fund UN (and thousand other things) then come out and say so.

Yes. I am okay with increasing debt (currently costing 2% after inflation) to increase long-term US stability and competitiveness. I am not okay with increasing debt to decrease long-term US stability and competitiveness, as we are doing now.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by eapressoandcats »

techright75 wrote: post #382
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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Israel doesn’t have a plan to clean up the mess. What is the end goal here? Seriously. They’ve invaded and now what?

Options are: 1. Regime change, which I have seen no effort to attempt to effectuate 2. Withdrawal, which seems unlikely at this point. 3. Permanent occupation, which seems like the default. It may end up falling short of full genocide but it’s definitely violently upheld apartheid at a minimum.

If the third option is “cleaning up a mess” then that’s uh… pretty bad.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

DSingularity wrote: post #430
Veen wrote: post #399

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You can acknowledge Palestinians exist without giving the terrorist Palestinian state equal status with other members of the community of nations.

The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secretaries of war and so on.

Lots and lots of states were founded by terrorists. Like, my state (Ireland) was founded by a bunch of them. Our longest standing leader (DeValera) was involved in the 1916 rising and was only not executed because he was a US citizen and the Brits wanted the US to join WW1.

Which is to say, that many many states have been founded by terrorists/freedom fighters. That's the norm, not the exception. Like, from the perspective of the British Crown, George Washington was a terrorist.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by runako »

landl0rd wrote: post #442
runako wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US just signed a new law that will expand the deficit further. (I'll leave as an exercise to determine whether the increase from the law is > or A government that does not collect sufficient taxes to fund its priorities can somehow always claim that funds are scarce. But that's a) a choice and b) can be rectified any time by shifting priorities (see: military budget, for ex.) or collecting more revenue. It's fine…

- nobody was endorsing the OBBBA or saying that it’s good. - some spending is objectively more necessary than other spending. Funding UNESCO is not that important. I detailed why we shouldn’t do so even were we running a $1T budget in another comment. - UNESCO is not responsible for “defus[ing] conflict without war.” The vast majority of the UN is not.

OBBA is important context because it was just enacted this month and it demonstrates clearly that the deficit and debt are not political priorities. Any argument put forth by the administration that enacted the OBBBA concerning debt is transparently facile given its demonstrated actions of increasing the rate of increase of the debt.

It's fine to say we should not participate in the UN/UNESCO for ideological reasons, but we don't have to take leave of our faculties and engage with the silly notion that this administration cares about the debt or deficit.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #461
DSingularity wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from your despicable lack of humanity you aren’t even making a valid comparison to begin with. You are comparing fighting an armed nation (Japan) to refugees exercising their right to resist a foreign occupation.

Lack of humanity? My friend, if Hamas surrendered tomorrow, the death would stop. They have no allies, they have no support, the war is over. It's now just how much of their own people they are willing to grind up. Western liberals on the keyboards are not going to stop Israel. The fractured and shattered Islamic middle east is not going to stop Israel. End the war, give up the land, and take the offer from Israel fo…

> if Hamas surrendered tomorrow, the death would stop

Have we seen an end to the violence in the West Bank area of Palestine?

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by kennywinker »

dijit wrote: post #412
kennywinker wrote: post #396

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So far all independent verifications of the gaza health ministry’s numbers have found that they under-report the death toll. And i’m not sure how your sweden example says anything about the US supporting israel’s genocide? Was there something you expected to happen when sweden recognized palestine?

Really? Every time I search for independent verification I am told it’s too hard to come up with anything conclusive.

FUD designed to allow the genocide to continue.

In short: gazans are all issued ID numbers at birth. The ministry of health has published id numbers of the dead, which means you can do stats and tell if the data is fake. On top of that, so far (afaik since 2009 when hamas came to power) nobody has caught them in a lie. So they’ve a track record of telling the truth, and give us data that we can smell-test for fraud and it passes.

So yes, nobody else is on the ground to produce independent numbers, so the numbers can’t be fully verified. But using that doubt as an excuse for inaction in the face of ethnic cleansing and genocide is fucking disgusting.

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Post by SadTrombone »

ngruhn wrote: post #457
DSingularity wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secretaries of war and so on.

What are you talking about? There's plenty to criticize Israel for but this is just hyperbolic nonsense.

How so? It's common knowledge that the nascent IDF absorbed terrorist organizations like the Irgun and Lehi into their ranks and gave them autonomy to operate as they had been. Leaders of these terrorist organizations went on to join the highest ranks of Israeli leadership. David Ben-Gurion being one of many (his Haganah cooperated closely with the Irgun and Lehi as they committed kidnappings, bombings and murders).

This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's widely documented by respectable historians.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Sharlin »

monero-xmr wrote: post #443
Sharlin wrote: post #256

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Surprisingly many people who claim to care about "family" don’t seem to have any qualms about leaving their children and grandchildren a considerably worse world.

From my perspective the world is getting better every single day. I wouldn’t want to live in the past

Sad and short-sighted view. Which is of course what got us into this mess, and is actively working to make things worse in any timescale longer than quarterly. But you do you.
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