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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by jacknews »

turtlesdown11 wrote: post #419
BirAdam wrote: post #357

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Peace and prosperity since WWII? I suppose that Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Myanmar, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan/India/China, Georgia, Bosnia/Herzegovina, and so on just never happened? Not doubting that war is on the horizon, but the USA is addicted to war, and many other nations had their own issues independently of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace > The "Long Peace" is a term for the unprecedented historical period of relative global stability following the end of World War II in 1945 to the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_econ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_globalization I hope you learn something today.

Exactly

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by dragonwriter »

esseph wrote: post #553
glitchc wrote: post #174

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Because the rest of the world denies Palestinian crimes in Israel.

The State of Israel spent so long fighting monsters that it became one.

The State of Israel literally created the main “monster” it claims to be fighting (Hamas), abd did so for the specific purpose of splitting Palestinian opposition and having a less sympathetic enemy to weaken international criticism of its campaign to cleanse Palestine of Palestinians, which has been fairly overt policy since the occupation began.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by notahacker »

glitchc wrote: post #347
notahacker wrote: post #286

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Would you really liken the recent US approach to international relations to a peloton? Seems rather more like the race leader stopping his bike, chucking it off a cliff whilst hurling insults at all the contestants a lap or two behind, including the teammates offering him an alternative bike Thoughtful, conservative isolationists don't mix up their questions about how important soft power is really with threats to an…

Throughout much of its history, the US has been conservative and isolationist. The post-WW2 era was an aberration, not the status quo. I see these actions as the US returning to its roots. Whether the US annexes Canada is up to the US and Canada. Other parties only get an opinion when either of those two decides to involve them. And the Tour de France is not a Peleton. You are being disingenuous.

> And the Tour de France is not a Peleton. You are being disingenuous

A peloton is a line of cyclists with riders taking it turns to voluntarily relinquishing the lead to conserve energy. Happens a lot in Tour De France. Pretty much exactly the situation your analogy attempted to describe. (If you're only aware of the branded exercise equipment, maybe don't use cycling race analogies and definitely don't confuse people possessing knowledge you lack with disingenuousness)

Got to enjoy the irony of someone accusing me of being disingenuous for knowing slightly more than zero about cycle races, whilst simultaneous arguing that a mad child shouting about annexing Canada is either isolationism or the "US returning to its roots" though.

I mean, I guess the US did have a mad king once and, separately, an attempt to annex Canada. Neither of those had anything even slightly to do with the principle of isolationism either, and I don't think either of them were successful enough for any sane Americans to want to return to them :D

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Post by zdragnar »

wredcoll wrote: post #540
CWuestefeld wrote: post #502

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I think pretty much everyone acknowledges the cruft. They are always, for example, paying lip service to ending waste and corruption. But for all of their speechifying, nothing of note has ever been done in my lifetime[1]. The fact is that it's damned near impossible to build anything in America today, whether that's physical building or organizations. There is just too much vested interest, regulation, and unwilling…

Clinton did a lot more than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Bill_Cl... He actually reduced spending, improved efficiency and in general streamlined the system. But weirdly, no republican (or most other people, really) ever mentions this actually effective approach, possibly because it would completely undermine the myth of republican "fiscal conservatism" But this part here I think gets to…

Democrats and Republicans alike all agree that Clinton became much more conservative in his second term. Nobody acknowledges it because it paled in comparison to the circus that was his impeachment trial.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by zdragnar »

Veen wrote: post #455
DSingularity wrote: post #420

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I’m sure the British would have described the American revolution in similar ways.

We described it as tax avoidance and treasonous collaboration with the enemy we really cared about — the French.

Tax avoidance is using a loophole. Tax evasion is refusing to pay what is determined to be owed.

The modern difference is one comes with prison time.

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Post by scottydelta »

rafram wrote: post #441
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #387

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Sure, it was a Democrat president enforcing laws passed by a Democrat-controlled House and Senate in 1990 and 1994, under at least one Democrat president. There are no real "sides" when it comes to the U.S. and Israel. Every party bends the knee and kisses the wall. It’s one big club, and we’re not in it.

> It’s one big club, and we’re not in it. I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply here, but like it or not, most Americans do support Israel.

Just like how Ted Cruz believes that Bible says that they have to defend Israel. Now if you ask him where exactly in Bible?

He will deflect because his Bible is the American Evangelicals. So much for separation of state and religion.

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Post by kennywinker »

regnull wrote: post #554
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted i…

What are you implying? Genuinely I can’t tell who you think these “men on speeding motorcycles” are?

I don’t see anything obviously suspicious in that - if your family was starving would you sit back and let them die? Or maybe hop on a motorcycle and cut to the front of the queue?

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Post by stahtops »

breppp wrote: post #531
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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Say it ain’t so- a right winger who is either intentionally lying or can’t do basic math.

Will it be someone else’s fault? Will they admit their mistakes and change their opinions? Or will they brush aside their published reasoning and say it doesn’t change anything. Check back at 11.

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Post by tmountain »

bm3719 wrote: post #515
tmountain wrote: post #325

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Hegel, and later Sartre (but from a very different perspective), emphasized the importance of The Other, in the sense of the definition of the Self. In short, by defining the other, one demarcates the boundary of the self and defines ones identity. Self-identity necessitates the other, in its self-conception and interdependence of the latter's existence. To be reductionist, what does it even mean to be oneself if the…

Political othering is the process of emphasizing differences between groups in a way that creates an "us vs. them" mentality, often leading to prejudice and hostility. It involves constructing an out-group as fundamentally different and inferior, thereby reinforcing the identity and perceived superiority of the in-group. This process can manifest in various forms, including racism, sexism, and other forms of prejudice, and it often fuels social and political conflict.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Hikikomori »

dijit wrote: post #360
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

Sweden and the US are “kinda cozy” (I would say at least, from an inside perspective on how Sweden seems to lean in to US interests including copyright enforcements and so forth). However Sweden was the first country to recognise Palestine. Is it possible that the pulling out of UNESCO is further in-line with Trumps “we want to focus on America” fluff, similar to the threats of pulling out of NATO and the actual pull…

Some US interference? Like funding the genocide?

Pretty much all atrocities in the middle east can be traced back Europeans (mainly UK) carving up the area after ww1 and theirs and American imperialism since ww2. Israel is a project of this.

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