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Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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Another TV show that played with this concept well is "30 Rocks", with the main protagonist dreading to go to her high school reunion because she was a nerdy girl mocked by the high-school bully, As the episode go on, she realize that she was the bully, everyone was terrified of her and her extremely cruel remarks, including her friend who was afraid of her, turning the whole 'underdog nerd' trope on it's head. On a…

I wish the show were called "30 Rocks" now, and was about gemstones.

"30 Rocks from the Sun."

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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On the topic of evil, this sketch from Mitchell and Webb stayed with me for years. Are we the baddies? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY Every villain is the hero in their own story, after all.

I wish there were a somewhat acceptable, though controversial, way for us to distinguish between good and evil like how success is defined by disposable wealth. You can argue that society does not see it that, but there is no absolute way to denying it.

> way for us to distinguish between good and evil like how success is defined by disposable wealth

Above a certain point, disposable wealth turns very readily to evil if it's not accompanied by social responsibility, a point made by some extremely woke dude in the Bible.

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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The article refers to the banality of evil in realation to Eichmann. There's actually been quite a bit of historical push back on this assertion, which in some ways has been used to rehabilitate Eichmann's image as a bureaucrat. Eichmann while not the chief architect, was definitely partly responsible for the Holocaust's "success" and actively climbed the nazi hierarchy by finding a niche to fill - exterminating jewi…

> which in some ways has been used to rehabilitate Eichmann's image as a bureaucrat

Well that was clearly never Arendt's intent. Have people actually tried to interpret her work to rehabilitate Eichmann?

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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Well… part of what made Breaking Bad so good was the artful way it manipulated your feelings for Walter. By the end I was back rooting for him. I wanted his plan to rescue Jessie (and to an extent Skyler) to work. It felt like a partial atonement[1] and allowed to show wrap up satisfyingly. I feel the same way the same way about Tony Soprano. A terrible person with terrible behaviour but I still root for him at the e…

By that point I was hoping Jessie got out of it all alive, because while he was clearly a dumbass with questionable morals, nobody deserved what he was going through, and the abuse he'd put up with at the hands of Walt among others. Walt was still fascinating to watch and maybe I approved of or disliked some of his individual actions, and we definitely had deep insight to his character by then, but I don't think I'd…

Hopefully this came across but I'm definitely not always rooting for either Tony Sorprano or Walter White.

Like you say, you experience the story through these dubious characters. Especially on multiple watch throughs you can really come to despise them but the series are so well made that the writers can bring you round multiple times.

There's something about the cognative disonence of how most people experience life there.

I was once told that most people that do bad things just convince themselves that what they're doing is actually OK.

So someone that steals from cars blames the car's owner for leaving it unlocked. That rings true for me. They're not sociopaths, they're bending their reality to justify their actions.

That's obvious criminality but I think that almost everyone is doing something like that to some extent.

For example, just look at the popularity of fast fashion that's almost certainly made with slave labour. At this point in time I don't think anyone buying from Shien[1] or Temu[2] could be in any doubt. They must know, they just don't care. They're still just everyday people.

1. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyg7n1d85go.amp

2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67752413.amp

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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> If Peep Show has any sort of singular thematic message, it’s that low self-esteem is the root of all evil. Interestingly this is a similar conclusion that the Unabomber came to in Industrial Society and its Future : https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/In... Kaczynski called out low self-esteem as one of several foundational components in the psychology of his hated enemies (“leftists”), whom h…

Indiscriminate murderer, sure. Mass murderer ? Doesn't fit the bill.

One of his bombs was on a plane with 78 people but it malfunctioned

So mass murder was definitely the intent

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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> If Peep Show has any sort of singular thematic message, it’s that low self-esteem is the root of all evil. Interestingly this is a similar conclusion that the Unabomber came to in Industrial Society and its Future : https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/In... Kaczynski called out low self-esteem as one of several foundational components in the psychology of his hated enemies (“leftists”), whom h…

Tangental but it's interesting to read Kaczynski's bio after listening to a podcast about the Zizian cult over the weekend, some very clear parallels in personality type.

Is the CIA involved again like it was with MKUltra in Kaczynski's case ?

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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Indiscriminate murderer, sure. Mass murderer ? Doesn't fit the bill.

One of his bombs was on a plane with 78 people but it malfunctioned So mass murder was definitely the intent

Yeah but de facto he only killed three people. Which is three too many, don't get me wrong.

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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> If Peep Show has any sort of singular thematic message, it’s that low self-esteem is the root of all evil. Interestingly this is a similar conclusion that the Unabomber came to in Industrial Society and its Future : https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/In... Kaczynski called out low self-esteem as one of several foundational components in the psychology of his hated enemies (“leftists”), whom h…

Ah the "society made me a killer/rapist" defense!

Incels usually narrow it down to women whom are expected to have sex with them because men are owed sex.

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