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Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Post by piyushpr134 »

hellcow wrote: post #315
evrimoztamur wrote: post #303

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Besides ultra-processed foods 'hysteria,' basic ratios I consider here are: - protein to fat (which is roughly 1.4 in Beyond Meat (20g protein / 14g fat in 100g) versus 2.5-3.5 in beef (30±5g protein / 12.5±2.5g fat in 100g)) - protein to mass (20% vs ~30%) - micro-nutrients to mass (a very wide variety of minerals, vitamins, and other unknown nutrients present in beef) - carbohydrates (not present in substantial amo…

> 'we can do it and it may get more people to eat vegetarian.' That's a noble goal in and of itself. Every step to reduce environmental impact and animal cruelty has value. Beyond and Impossible were my "off-ramp" from eating meat every meal to exploring vegetarianism and veganism. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Indian here. We can eat vegetarian without this processed crap. Happy to see this die. We had equivalent companies here in India too. And they also are struggling. Happy to see this being rejected by masses

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Post by npteljes »

rzz3 wrote: post #417
npteljes wrote: post #210

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I think that for this exact reason Beyond Meat (or other alternatives) need a similar boost, in order to be financially competitive as well.

It’d probably be a better idea to stop the agriculture subsidies and let everyone compete and innovate on a level playing field.

Agriculture is very risky, and needs large investments, and has low margins, so it's a good candidate for subsidies and other such government measures, like insurance. And the people need to eat, so it's essential as well.

Leveling is much needed, I agree on that. But in case of agriculture, we can only get there by adjusting the field on a government level, in the shape of the support the industry receives.

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Post by piyushpr134 »

throwsbzhshe wrote: post #306
square_usual wrote: post #289

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> But try to make protein powder 80% of your protein intake and see how you'll feel in a week. What? I've had >100g of protein from whey protein shakes every day for months now. I don't know what you're trying to imply.

I’ve also been consuming 120g daily (about 4 scoops) of whey protein powder for 2.5 months now and feel perfectly fine.

protein can shoot up your sugar levels too. Do hba1c tests after a month to make sure they are not

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Post by Spooky23 »

graublau wrote: post #354
actsasbuffoon wrote: post #274

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The bulk of the harm from ultra-processed foods was specifically from meats, with smaller contributions coming from sugary drinks and dairy desserts. It’s the pink slime, reconstituted McRib, and hot dogs that are causing the most significant health problems. Beyond burgers have no cholesterol, hormones, or antibiotics. They’ve got significantly lower saturated fats. Studies have shown that swapping out regular burge…

9/10 doctors recommend beyond meat can be part of a healthy diet.

A stick of lard can be part of a healthy diet. Just like its meat equivalent, moderation matters.

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Post by zahlman »

carlosjobim wrote: post #250
globular-toast wrote: post #156

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Is this really a problem with Beyond Meat or a problem with our policies not correctly pricing meat due to not caring about the environment or animal welfare?

It's the same policy whether it's real meat patties or beyond meat, because beyond beef has the same main ingredient as the feed for the cattle: soybeans.

Beyond Beef derives its protein from peas, and explicitly advertises "no soy".

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Post by IAmGraydon »

buran77 wrote: post #148
submeta wrote: post #100

The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don’t believe that. I rather see more and more friends and people avoid eating meat or reduce their consumption drastically. Many buy plant based alternatives to milk as well. Twenty years ago only a few people would ask for oat/soy milk when ordering a coffee. But these days many do. I have been eating plant based meat alternatives for four…

> The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don't see this message in there. If you ask me the real message is that companies trying to sell overly processed, way too expensive, imitations of "something" will struggle. They're trying to sell a very expensive mechanical horse. Just give people a car. Maybe it's a US thing where people are more emotionally attached to the concept of t…

>They're trying to sell a very expensive mechanical horse. Just give people a car.

I love this analogy.

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Post by marliechiller »

account-5 wrote: post #71
dmazin wrote: post #68

It’s interesting that alternative meat consumption in the U.S. is struggling but taking off in Europe. One thing I noticed after moving to the UK: alternative milk is normalized here. Like, it’s so common to avoid milk that if you order coffee without specifying, you will be asked what kind of milk you want.

What part of the UK does this happen in? I've never been asked this. I can only assume you're in London?

As a counter, I cant remember the last time I wasn't asked what milk I'd prefer. In fact, I now prefer oat milk in coffee to regular milk

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Post by Spooky23 »

square_usual wrote: post #289
druskacik wrote: post #275

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The rule of thumb is that the ultra-processed food should not account for a too large part of your diet. The protein powder is usually taken as a supplement and in small quantities, as opposed to food like twinkies people can easily overeat on. But try to make protein powder 80% of your protein intake and see how you'll feel in a week.

> But try to make protein powder 80% of your protein intake and see how you'll feel in a week. What? I've had >100g of protein from whey protein shakes every day for months now. I don't know what you're trying to imply.

As with all things it depends on you. In general lots of protein can impact blood sugar. Whey protein without sufficient exercise can cause liver issues, so you shouldn’t go crazy with it unless you’re regularly monitored by a doctor. (Standard blood panels would detect an issue iirc)

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Post by klipt »

aziaziazi wrote: post #398
scythmic_waves wrote: post #329

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Thanks for breaking that down. As someone doing weightlifting, this is the primary reason I don't bother with vegetarian meats. They actually taste pretty good IMO, but they don't offer nutritional benefits commensurate with animal meat. It's a shame, really. I'd gladly incorporate them if I could get a similar protein : calorie ratio.

Did you try Tempeh? 20gr of protein / 150cal. It looks like a steak. It's god's food: high prots, fibers, iron, vitamins, unsaturated fats. Low carbs and sodium. Super digestive. Super versatile: from burgers to bolognese to barbecue to everything, even sweety for the courageous. My easy goto is a dip of whatever open sauce I already have and 1 min micro wave heating. A bit more time ? Fried on the pan with soy sauce…

I know tempeh is easily available in Indonesia, but how do you get it in bulk in the US?

All I see are tiny overpriced plastic packets.

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Post by kingstnap »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #399
npteljes wrote: post #210

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I think that for this exact reason Beyond Meat (or other alternatives) need a similar boost, in order to be financially competitive as well.

I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. It’s a good national policy.

Keeping groceries cheap is politically important. It's the bread in bread and circus.
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