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Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Looks like nothing a little duct tape couldn't handle.

Duct tape adhesives (including polyterpene resin) might register as VOCs. Now, if you duct taped a piece of absolutely clean aluminum foil to it, then that could be fine.

I'd take the opposite approach, put something in the room that continually triggers it so they keep coming up and then just ignore it eventually.

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Given that this image: https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/653a9fbd1075088b6c8f8bd3/... shows PM2.5 and CO2(ppm) it may imply they monitor particles and CO2 levels. My guess is it also monitors humidity, and temperature. Humidity helps distinguish smoke from water vapor (eg. steaming shower). CO2 sensors are generally pretty accurate, but PM2.5 sensors are notoriously prone to false spikes usually caused by dust in or…

Note that pm2.5 will also spike when you've used shampoo, perfume, deoderant, lotion, sunblock; if you use dryer sheets and you unpack your clothes, etc.

This is news to me, but I’m unsurprised. Why people use so much strongly scented products is absolutely baffling to me.

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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It reminds me of a hotel I stayed at that had a stocked mini-fridge. Removing any item from the fridge resulted in an automatic, silent charge. Putting it back did not remove the charge. So if you simply took something out to check it in, or if you wanted to chill your own beverage, they counted that as consuming the item. They removed the charges if you checked the bill and objected at checkout. But how many people…

Some hotels let you call and request for the items to be removed, to avoid trouble at check out.

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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I scoured their website to look for any clues about how it might (allegedly) work and got a fat lot of nothing. > Rest constantly monitors room air quality, using a proprietary algorithm to pinpoint any tobacco, marijuana, or nicotine presence. So a smoke detector with an "algorithm" attached. Uh huh. How does that algorithm work? > By analyzing various factors and patterns[...] Some cutting edge shit here! And as fo…

This is like those 10k bomb detectors that were just a box with wires dangling out aren’t they? I do not understand what possesses people to buy this stuff without proof.

Because they can charge $500 to almost all occupants realizing the likelihood of a repeat visitor is low?

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Assuming you live in a democracy (we'll see if America still counts in 3 years), elect a better one.

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Yes it is. “Democracy” from the Greek: “common people rule” and “Republic” from the Latin: “the thing, public.”

Republic and democracy mean the same damn thing, rule by the people as opposed to rule by a monarch.

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I bet it’s also a rev share model. Hotel doesn’t pay for the device but revenue is shared. Like the traffic cameras where they shorten yellow light to durations that a car is incapable of stopping in time.

What's messed up about red light cameras is they can actually be useful - if used correctly! The correct use case is "We seem to have a problem with red light runners at this intersection, so let's find out why by temporarily deploying red light cameras here." I've seen this done and the city in question found out. They were able to make some changes to the light timing and at several intersections, that caused the a…

The only experimentation that you need to to is extend the damn yellow lights. Long enough duration of yellow lights reduces accidents to nearly zero. This has been proven over and over 1000x. The data has been out there for 40+ years. There's zero need for red light cameras.

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Whenever someone charges me a smoking fee I assume they are just saying they don't want me staying there. I'll find some place either much better or much shittier that is appreciative of my business. The Hilton Garden Inn in Princeton NJ has charged both my and my wife a smoking fee on different dates because we were hiking. In Denver you aren't allowed to smoke on the streets, there's no terraces in the hotel, so we were charged a smoking fee after hot boxing our car. They aren't cleaning the room. It's ten cents of spray and an open window at most. I've stayed at hotels where they Febreeze every room daily. What a scumbag thing to do to your customers.

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Check the App Store screenshots - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rest-by-noiseaware/id644925142... The app even tracks the whole fee amount in-app being collected. "Net charge", "adjusted charge amount" reasons of "guest complaint"...

Their "NoiseAware" main product line also sounds incredibly dystopian. Apparently, that's a "privacy-safe" microphone listening in rental properties, to "detect crowds gathering"...!? This type of creepy stuff, together with Airbnb's horrible business practices (last time they wanted access to my checking account transaction history via Plaid!) and enabling scammy hosts, is why I'm back to just staying at regular hot…

That reminds me - we're staying in an Airbnb later this summer and I've been meaning to research gadgets to detect hidden cameras. Now I guess I need to look out for microphones too. We're going in quite the dystopian direction.

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that this image: https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/653a9fbd1075088b6c8f8bd3/... shows PM2.5 and CO2(ppm) it may imply they monitor particles and CO2 levels. My guess is it also monitors humidity, and temperature. Humidity helps distinguish smoke from water vapor (eg. steaming shower). CO2 sensors are generally pretty accurate, but PM2.5 sensors are notoriously prone to false spikes usually caused by dust in or…

Note that pm2.5 will also spike when you've used shampoo, perfume, deoderant, lotion, sunblock; if you use dryer sheets and you unpack your clothes, etc.

Farts will cause it to spike

Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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No, it's just stupidity and myopia. Like those screens that replaced glass beverage cases in liquor stores a few years ago. Not one customer liked them. Not one customer wanted them and the results were beyond terrible. People literally stopped buying. But people actually invested millions into that company and other people actually bought their products and thought "gee this is great". Imagine how disconnected you h…

I seem to recall hearing that there was a person high up in the management of at least one of the store chains that did this who had a ton of financial interest in the company that made those door-screens.

Whenever some decision doesn't make sense, you can count on corruption (self-dealing, nepotism, kick-backs, or plain old embezzlement).

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by grift.

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