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DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

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Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

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That's rich because conservative and libertarian groups (especially the intellectual wing) have long opposed the idea that "speech can be violence" [1][2][3] [1] https://adflegal.org/article/speech-not-violence-and-violenc... [2] https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/national-speech-index... [3] https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/07/why-it... Now they want us to believe that cameras are threats of vi…

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Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

#32

What is the current SOTA advice on what to do if 1) approached and asked questions by ICE, 2) detained by ICE; broken down by A) “I’m a US citizen”, B) “I’m not a US citizen, have legal status to be in the US”, C) “I’m not a US citizen, don’t have legal status to be in the US”?

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/immigrants-rights

Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the four points I mentioned above are beyond acceptable police behavior, and likely unconstitutional Do ICE agents get free pass to ignore state laws by their federal organisation?

with the current courts they do.

> with the current courts they do

Source? (Either for it not having been the case before or for it being the case right now. Ideally with case citations; trying to dig deeper than vibes.)

Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

#34

Last week I saw some dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate. Appellate courts in the First, Third, Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Eleventh Circuits have all held there's a first amendment right to film police, and that law enforcement officers do not have an expectation…

> dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political sys…

> To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents.

Source ?

Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

with the current courts they do.

> with the current courts they do Source? (Either for it not having been the case before or for it being the case right now. Ideally with case citations; trying to dig deeper than vibes.)

It's not that they have any statutory authority to do so: it's that because Trump is above the law, and the courts have no power to stop him, ICE, which is his personal Gestapo, can also ignore the law.

Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political sys…

> To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents. Source ?

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Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political sys…

> To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents. Source ?

Nope, I was wrong [1].

(I got thrown off by this memo [2].)

[1] https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID25542...

[2] https://www.ice.gov/doclib/dro/family-residential/pdf/rs_sta...

Re: DHS: Filming Cops, ICE Officers Is a 'Violent Tactic'

#40
post #13

ICE "officers" are almost always. A. Without badges, or have badges without numbers. Toy-store style. B. Are faceless. C. Do not have names displayed. D. Do not have warrants. These were mentioned, IIRC, in an ACLU complaint which resulted in restraining orders (see [0]) though the order addressed two points not specifically related to the above. > The first TRO bars immigration agents from stopping individuals witho…

And the SCOTUS says photographing LEOs is protected.

https://johndrogerslaw.com/the-first-amendmeAVnt-and-photogr...

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