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Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by StarterPro »

I was wondering when we'd get to the end of the reduced fare portion of the bubble. With the layoffs, increase in prices, we're going to see a lot more vibe coding to justify the price of ai.

With the talented employees laid off, I predict there will be some VERY LARGE code mistake pushed, either banking or travel, and we'll either see the burst, or they'll move on to strictly enterprise/gov opportunities. (see: grok for gov)

>Super Free [Introduction, lots of free options] >Reduced Fare [higher prices, smaller pool of free options](We are here) >Premium Only [only paid options, mostly whales]

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by qweiopqweiop »

pembrook wrote: post #49

The funny thing is Claude 4.0 isn't even that 'smart' from a raw intelligence perspective compared to the other flagship models. They've just done the work to tailor it specifically for proper tool using during coding. Once other models catch up, they will not be able to be so stingy on limits. Google has the advantage here given they're running on their own silicon; can optimize for it; and have nearly unlimited cas…

I think you're right, but you're also ignoring the effects of monopolies and/or collusion. There's a absolutely a chance prices don't come down due to broader anti-competitive plays.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mlsu wrote: post #192
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that much of the established embedded world has moved to any one flavour of GCC or (more commonly) Clang, just because maintaining a proprietary optimising compiler is too much effort than just modifying (and eventually contributing to) Clang.

Tough for me to speak about embedded in general, but many companies are on vendor toolchains or paid compilers by choice, and it is the right choice to make given the tradeoffs involved. IAR for example is simply a fantastic compiler. It produces more compact binaries that use less memory than GCC, with lots and lots of hardware support and noticeably better debugging. Many companies have systems-engineering deadline…

> Tough for me to speak about embedded in general, but many companies are on vendor toolchains or paid compilers by choice, and it is the right choice to make given the tradeoffs involved.

That's true in general. With paid licenses and especially subscriptions, you're not just getting the service, you're also entering a relationship with the provider.

For companies, that often matters more than the service itself - especially when support is part of this relationship. That's one of many reasons companies like subscriptions.

For individuals, that sucks. They don't need or want another relationship with some random party, that they now need to keep track of. The relationship has so much power imbalance that it doesn't benefit the individual at all - in fact, for most businesses, such customer is nothing more than a row in an analytics database - or less, if GDPR applies.

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by Wubdidu »

stavros wrote: post #206
mrits wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly feel sorry for these vibe coders. I'm loving AI in a similar way that I loved google or IDE magic. This seems like a far worst version of those developers that tried to build an entire app with Eclipse or Visual Studio GUI drag and drop from the late 90s

I really don't like how religious the debate about AI has gotten here. "I feel sorry for these vibe coders" is something you tell yourself to feel superior to people who use AI. Don't feel sorry for me, I've used vibe coding to create many things, and I still know how to program, so I'll live if it goes away.

Same, I really like the solutions one can build with LLMs and have a lot of fun working with them to improve use-cases where it actually makes sense. Its the first time since years I really enjoy coding on side-projects and take great care to give clear instructions and review and understand what LLMs build for me, except some completely irrelevant/one-shot things I entirely "vibe code".

Its gotten so bad I'm actively trying to avoid talking about this in circles like Hacker News because people get so heavily and aggressively discredited and ridiculed as if they have no idea what they are doing or are a shill for big AI companies.

I know what I'm doing and actively try to help friends and co-workers use LLMs in a sustainable way, understanding their limitations and the dangers of letting them loose without staying in the loop. Its sad that I can't talk about this without fear of being attacked, especially in communities like Hacker News that I previously valued as being very professional and open, compared to other modern social media.

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Post by mike_hearn »

pembrook wrote: post #71
alphager wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Moore's law was still in effect and the computer resources required stayed the same and compute stayed as efficient per watt (neither is true), it would just halve compute costs every 18 months. You're able to read about people hitting $4000 costs/month on the $200 plan upthread. That's 8 years until it's cost effective. Are they really ready to burn money for 8 years?

Uber operated at a loss for 9 years. They're now a profitable, market-winning business. Amazon operated at a loss for 9 years, and barely turned a profit for over a decade longer than that. They're now one of the greatest businesses of all time. Spotify operated at a loss for 17 years until becoming profitable. Tesla operated at a loss for 17 years before turning a profit. Palantir operated at a loss for 20 years bef…

Uber is profitable now, on a yearly basis. But they still presumably have a long way to go until they're actually profitable in the sense that they've made a profit over the lifetime of their existence.

Amazon pivoted to a totally different business that was profitable from the get-go.

Google became profitable within a couple of years of starting and went into the black on total lifetime spend almost immediately. As was normal, back then.

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Post by perks_12 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #209
gscott wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long can AI be subsidized in the name of growth? They need to radically increase the price. If I replace a $150k yr employee should I pay $200 a month or $2,000 a month. $200 is too cheap.

$200 a month with Opus 4 and Sonnet 4 won't let you replace a $12.5k / month employee - but it's cheap enough that everyone, including you and even your employees, will want to see how much utility they can squeeze out of it. This is a price to get people hooked up, yes, but also to get them to explore all kinds of weird tricks and wacky workflows, especially ones that are prohibitively costly when billed per token.…

$200 a month gives your $12.5k / month employee a handy assistant who can take care of things you'd love to automate or would employ a junior dev for.

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Post by pragmatick »

Ataraxic wrote: post #40

I need to see a video of what people are doing to hit the max limits regularly. I find sonnet really useful for coding but I never even hit basic limits. at $20/mo. Writing specs, coming up with documentation, doing wrote tasks for which many examples exist in the database. Iterate on particular services etc. Are these max users having it write the whole codebase w/ rewrites? Isn't it often just faster to fix small t…

Yesterday I tried CC the first time. I have the $20 package. I asked it to improve the code in a small kotlin based chess engine. Five minutes later I reached my limit and the engine performed poorer than before. It just created two new classes, changed some code in others and created a couple of tests which it ran. So I hit the limit pretty quickly.

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

gscott wrote: post #135
skort wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but these companies are selling their products on the basis that you can offload a good amount of the thinking. And it seems a good deal of investment in AI is also based on this premise. I don't disagree with you, but it's sorta fucked that so much money has been pumped into this and that markets seem to still be okay with it all.

How long can AI be subsidized in the name of growth? They need to radically increase the price. If I replace a $150k yr employee should I pay $200 a month or $2,000 a month. $200 is too cheap.

You can spend $2000 a month if you want, they have an pay what you use option.
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