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Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by andix »

pembrook wrote: post #49

The funny thing is Claude 4.0 isn't even that 'smart' from a raw intelligence perspective compared to the other flagship models. They've just done the work to tailor it specifically for proper tool using during coding. Once other models catch up, they will not be able to be so stingy on limits. Google has the advantage here given they're running on their own silicon; can optimize for it; and have nearly unlimited cas…

The thing is, all the models are not that 'smart'. None of them is AGI.

Currently it's much more important to manage context, split tasks, retry when needed, not getting stuck in an infinite loop, expose the right tools (but not too many), ...

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by mattigames »

bGl2YW5j wrote: post #46
thr0waway001 wrote: post #24

> One user, who asked not to be identified, said it has been impossible to advance his project since the usage limits came into effect. Vibe limit reached. Gotta start doing some thinking.

Came to comment on the same quote. I'm surprised, but know I shouldn't be, that we're at this point already.

I would be a little disappointed if that wasn't the case, after all we have been there quite a while in regards to the art models.

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by alphager »

pembrook wrote: post #49

The funny thing is Claude 4.0 isn't even that 'smart' from a raw intelligence perspective compared to the other flagship models. They've just done the work to tailor it specifically for proper tool using during coding. Once other models catch up, they will not be able to be so stingy on limits. Google has the advantage here given they're running on their own silicon; can optimize for it; and have nearly unlimited cas…

Even if Moore's law was still in effect and the computer resources required stayed the same and compute stayed as efficient per watt (neither is true), it would just halve compute costs every 18 months. You're able to read about people hitting $4000 costs/month on the $200 plan upthread. That's 8 years until it's cost effective.

Are they really ready to burn money for 8 years?

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by mrits »

thr0waway001 wrote: post #24

> One user, who asked not to be identified, said it has been impossible to advance his project since the usage limits came into effect. Vibe limit reached. Gotta start doing some thinking.

I honestly feel sorry for these vibe coders. I'm loving AI in a similar way that I loved google or IDE magic. This seems like a far worst version of those developers that tried to build an entire app with Eclipse or Visual Studio GUI drag and drop from the late 90s

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by lillecarl »

macinjosh wrote: post #54
pembrook wrote: post #49

The funny thing is Claude 4.0 isn't even that 'smart' from a raw intelligence perspective compared to the other flagship models. They've just done the work to tailor it specifically for proper tool using during coding. Once other models catch up, they will not be able to be so stingy on limits. Google has the advantage here given they're running on their own silicon; can optimize for it; and have nearly unlimited cas…

Prices for yesterday's frontier models will fall but there will always be the next big model. similar to how game graphics get ever better but ever more demanding at the bleeding edge.

Yes but games also look an awful lot better (fidelity wise) than not so many years ago.

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by mattnewton »

andix wrote: post #57
martinald wrote: post #43

I'm not sure this is "intentional" per se or just massively overloaded servers because of unexpected demand growth and they are cutting rate limits until they can scale up more. This may become permanent/worse if the demand keeps outstripping their ability to scale. I'd be extremely surprised if Anthropic picked now of all times to decide on COGS optimisation. They potentially can take a significant slice of the enti…

A lot of people switched away from Cursor within the blink of an eye. Switching IDEs is a big deal for me - it takes a lot of effort, which is why I never switched to Cursor in the first place. I think Claude Code is a much better concept, the coding agent doesn't need to be connected to the IDE at all. Which also means you can switch even faster to a competitor. In that sense, Claude Code may have been a huge footgu…

I think in the case of Cursor, they are one of may VScode forks, so a switch is not really very challenging. I agree there is little to keep me on any individual app or model (which is one reason I think cursor's reported 9b valuation is a little crazy!)

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by mrits »

bGl2YW5j wrote: post #46
thr0waway001 wrote: post #24

> One user, who asked not to be identified, said it has been impossible to advance his project since the usage limits came into effect. Vibe limit reached. Gotta start doing some thinking.

Came to comment on the same quote. I'm surprised, but know I shouldn't be, that we're at this point already.

First one was free

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by mrits »

ChadMoran wrote: post #59
Aurornis wrote: post #4

I played with Claude Code using the basic $20/month plan for a toy side project. I couldn't believe how many requests I could get in. I wasn't using this full-time for an entire workweek, but I thought for sure I'd be running into the $20/month limits quickly. Yet I never did. To be fair, I spent a lot of time cleaning up after the AI and manually coding things it couldn't figure out. It still seemed like an incredib…

If you aren't hitting the limits you aren't writing great prompts. I can write a prompt and have it go off and work for about an hour and hit the limit. You can have it launch sub-agents, parallelize work and autonomously operate for long periods of time. Think beyond just saying "do this one thing".

That clears up a lot for me. I don't think I've ever had it take for than a couple of minutes. If it takes more than a minute I usually freak out and press stop

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by devnullbrain »

AtheistOfFail wrote: post #55
gerdesj wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crikey. Now I get the business model: I hire someone for say £5K/mo. They then spend $200/mo or is it a $1000/wk on Claude or whatevs. Profit!

The model is "outspend others until they're bankrupt". Known as the Uber model or Amazon vs Diapers.com

It's a shame that the LLM era missed out on coinciding with the zero interest rates era. Just imagine the waste we could create.

Re: Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users

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Post by andix »

mattnewton wrote: post #66
andix wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people switched away from Cursor within the blink of an eye. Switching IDEs is a big deal for me - it takes a lot of effort, which is why I never switched to Cursor in the first place. I think Claude Code is a much better concept, the coding agent doesn't need to be connected to the IDE at all. Which also means you can switch even faster to a competitor. In that sense, Claude Code may have been a huge footgu…

I think in the case of Cursor, they are one of may VScode forks, so a switch is not really very challenging. I agree there is little to keep me on any individual app or model (which is one reason I think cursor's reported 9b valuation is a little crazy!)

Only if you're using VS code in the first place. VS code is fine for web dev and js/ts/python. But I really don't like it for Java, C#, C++, SQL, and many more.
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