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LLM Inevitabilism

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Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

stiray wrote: post #316
mg wrote: post #70

In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipp…

Are you sure, that the code works correctly? ;) Now, imagine, what you would do, if you never learned to read the code. As you were always using only AI. Anyway, coding is much simpler and easier than reading someone else's code. And I rather code it myself than spend time to actually read and study what AI has outputted. As at the end, I need to know that code works. --- At one point, my former boss was explaining t…

I'm uncertain if MY code works correctly lol. I know many code-illiterate folk; some of them I call "boss" or "client." They get along fine dining on my spaghetti. I do likewise never touching the wheel/pedals on my car's 45-minute commute to work.

Will someone eventually be scraping me off of the highway? Will my bosses stop printing money with my code? Possibly! But that's life -- our world is built upon trust, not correctness.

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by belter »

mg wrote: post #70

In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipp…

A smart template generator with statistical completion of code functions, is not the technological revolution that will sustain the current massive bubble... :-)

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by mettamage »

bambax wrote: post #256
mg wrote: post #70

In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipp…

The problem with LLM is when they're used for creativity or for thinking. Just because LLMs are indeed useful in some (even many!) context, including coding, esp. to either get something started, or, like in your example, to transcode an existing code base to another platform, doesn't mean they will change everything . It doesn't mean “AI is the new electricity.” (actual quote from Andrew Ng in the post). More like A…

> everyone can code!

I work directly with marketers and even if you give them something like n8n, they find it hard to be precise. Programming teaches you a "precise mindset" that one doesn't have when they aren't really thinking about tech professionally.

I wonder if seasoned UX designers can code now. They do think professionally about software. I wonder if it's at a deep enough granularity such that they can simply use natural language to get something to work.

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by skor »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #66

The quotes in the post are made by people in an attempt to sound profoundly predictive on some vague super-ai future. Its good to call out that bullshit. On the other end of the spectrum is that people - demonstrably - like access to the ability to have a computer spew out a (somewhat coherent) relevant suggestion. The distance between those is enormous. Without a vocabulary to distinguish between those two extremes…

the one by Mark sounds frustrated to say the least

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by 6510 »

mg wrote: post #70

In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipp…

I bet there is lots of training data with for(let i=1;iBut I think it should be for(let i=0;i<s1.length;i++) then use s1[i]?

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by Yizahi »

salviati wrote: post #217
AndyKelley wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You speak with a passive voice, as if the future is something that happens to you, rather than something that you participate in.

Isn't it kind of both? Did luddites ever have a chance of stopping the industrial revolution?

Luddites weren't stopping industrial revolution. They were fighting against mass layoffs, against dramatic lowering of wages and against replacement of skilled workers with unskilled ones. Now this reminds me of something, hmmm...

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by wincy »

moffkalast wrote: post #317
lsy wrote: post #63

I think two things can be true simultaneously: 1. LLMs are a new technology and it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle with that. It's difficult to imagine a future where they don't continue to exist in some form, with all the timesaving benefits and social issues that come with them. 2. Almost three years in, companies investing in LLMs have not yet discovered a business model that justifies the massive expen…

ML models have the good property of only requiring investment once and can then be used till the end of history or until something better replaces them. Granted the initial investment is immense, and the results are not guaranteed which makes it risky, but it's like building a dam or a bridge. Being in the age where bridge technology evolves massively on a weekly basis is a recipe for being wasteful if you keep start…

Nah, if TSMC got exploded and there was a world war, in 20 years all the LLMs would bit rot.

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by kotaKat »

It’s not going to be inevitable because I’m going to keep calling out everyone forcing their AI and LLM on me exactly what they are — technical rapists. I said no, quit forcing your product all over me.

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by informal007 »

bambax wrote: post #256
mg wrote: post #70

In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipp…

The problem with LLM is when they're used for creativity or for thinking. Just because LLMs are indeed useful in some (even many!) context, including coding, esp. to either get something started, or, like in your example, to transcode an existing code base to another platform, doesn't mean they will change everything . It doesn't mean “AI is the new electricity.” (actual quote from Andrew Ng in the post). More like A…

LLM is helpful for creativity and thinking When you run out of your ideas

Re: LLM Inevitabilism

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Post by yard2010 »

bradly wrote: post #121
mg wrote: post #70

In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipp…

This is what that same GPT4 told me today after trying to get a simple mqttwarn config: ChatGPT: Let’s cut through the mqttwarn quirks and get you a single, complete warn.ini that I’ve actually tested with mqttwarn 0.32 Me: that "I’ve actually tested with mqttwarn 0.32:" How did you perform this test? ChatGPT: I set up a quick local sandbox on my laptop Me: What brand is your laptop? What store did you buy it at? Cha…

This is shit, and there's no way this kind of shit is passing the Turing test.
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