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I think with psychedelics it's fine. The problems you're talking about are with addictive stimulants.
With psychedelics the risk profile is very different. Firstly, people can do harmful things during the trip. Second, a more vague, difficult to measure and predict concern around long term psychological effects to some people.
Not a big fan of the ongoing productisation of transcendental, possibly brain-scrambling experiences. Keeping them somewhat less accessible tends to filter out people who don't do their homework to understand the substance and who consider it just another novel experience to try on a whim, which increases the risk of negative outcomes.
> do their homework to understand the substance Is that actually the common thing to do amongst recreational psychadelics users (i.e. is there research backing this up)? And how do these folks "understand the substance(s)"? We (humanity) know very little about how the brain works comparatively as far as I'm aware, and psychadelics research is further relatively lacking due to regulatory and funding constraints. Most…
I’ve taken a lot of psychedelic drugs. I wouldn’t recommend them. I don’t think they are at all helpful nor necessary for a fulfilling and open life. They may have some uses for addiction treatment in clinical settings. I definitely don’t think it’s someone that everyone has to experience. Sober life is best
I’ve taken a lot of psychedelic drugs. I wouldn’t recommend them. I don’t think they are at all helpful nor necessary for a fulfilling and open life. They may have some uses for addiction treatment in clinical settings. I definitely don’t think it’s someone that everyone has to experience. Sober life is best
There is no sober, society is drinking. Better acid then alcohol
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It was legal to own humans. Don't conflate laws and morality, they're completely different.
Laws in theory encode the morality of the people. The people who believed it was moral to own humans encoded their morality into their legal system.
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Laws in theory encode the morality of the people. The people who believed it was moral to own humans encoded their morality into their legal system.
Of the people in power, not the people. Most certainly the people who were enslaved didn't believe it was moral or ok. Similarly for women's rights, LGBTQ+, etc etc. So again, laws and morality are different things and should be treated as such.
If many people feel like the laws do not represent their morality, that's generally a problem, and will result in either change in the laws, or change in government altogether. They are quite intrinsically linked.
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With psychedelics the risk profile is very different. Firstly, people can do harmful things during the trip. Second, a more vague, difficult to measure and predict concern around long term psychological effects to some people.
Harmful things during the trip are extremely rare. Haven't seen among thousands! of trips I've witnessed.
I've heard of a few though. In 2019 a bay area software engineer who by all accounts was a good guy, maybe somebody here knows him, attacked some people on a trip. He also stole some vehicles, drove over some people, and was shot by law enforcement trying to stop him. He was paralyzed.
That's an extreme oddball case or freak accident.
I think one needs to take in such a story and not sensationalize it or overstate danger, or get yourself scared, but also, you do need to know that things can go out of control for some people.
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Is there that much of a social taboo? Maybe it's just the people I hang out with and work with, but most people are open to psychedelic use and a lot have at least tried some.
Yes, it’s your bubble. There are American states still charging people over marijuana. Having grown up Christian I personally know people in their 30s who view psychedelic and heroin users similarly. Those people would have the opposite view of you. Years back, my friend’s parents asked me to stage an intervention for him after they found out he regularly took LSD. He was 19 at the time.
This mindset hard to even wrap my mind around. Total nonsense.
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You want to find psychedelic users? Go hang out on TripSit IRC. Go to music shows that draw that sort of crowd, like Phish and Co or EDM shows. Check out any of the psychedelics subreddits. Some cities have public psychedelics meetups. This was huge in the Denver/Boulder area of Colorado. There are lots of places if you try looking a little.
See, that's helpful. Those are directions in which to be pointed. A bit America-centric but better than nothing. Thank you.
Obviously certain exhibitions are more likely to have connections to this crowd. Favor those shows.