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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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alwa wrote: post #23
al_borland wrote: post #10

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

And we could call this way… zero-knowledge proof! :) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof I bet we could even get a major phone OS vendor to support such a thing… https://blog.google/products/google-pay/google-wallet-age-id...

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by antonymoose »

Sharlin wrote: post #85
al_borland wrote: post #10

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

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I expect a liquor store to check ID, why not a porn store?

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by JoshTriplett »

lurk2 wrote: post #104
JoshTriplett wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're there. We're long past there. Start solving.

Do you have any examples of the finding being used to stymy sex education in schools?

There are many, many, many examples of every previous round of censorship in the name of "Think of the Children" being used against anything disliked by people in power, and filtered through the lens of the most conservative backwards puritans. Take a look at any banned book list.

This is not a slippery slope fallacy, it's basic pattern recognition.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by Sharlin »

dev1ycan wrote: post #61

As an outsider seeing the US destroy everything people associate with America in a couple months is sort of morbidly funny...

Most people's associations with the US were fanciful and unrealistic to begin with. It's just that now the reality has diverged so far from their mental images that they're forced to acknowledge the disparity.

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Post by perth »

xp84 wrote: post #27

So, while I agree that this feels foreign and wrong to me as someone who has experienced "The Internet" for so long, I can't help but wonder if we can separate that from how the offline world works. I'm asking this in good faith. Given that: 1. The Internet is not an optional subscription service today the way it was in 1995. Every kid and adult has 1,000 opportunities to get online including on the multiple devices…

Nitpick: currently in the US, most public libraries do not regulate anyone, of any age, from reading “adult” books.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by [deleted] »

alwa wrote: post #23
al_borland wrote: post #10

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

And we could call this way… zero-knowledge proof! :) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof I bet we could even get a major phone OS vendor to support such a thing… https://blog.google/products/google-pay/google-wallet-age-id...

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Post by arp242 »

yardie wrote: post #107
ndriscoll wrote: post #64

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An ADA compliant bathroom is almost 200sqft. And they will need at least 2 of them. So now that 1000sqft is now 600sqft. And they still need a place to store and process books, reading rooms, etc.

Also there's a big difference between a general "children's room" and strictly enforced "adults only" and "for children" section, with risk of costly lawsuits if some extremist parent thinks the kid saw something "obscene". My library had a children's section and even some toys, but I could walk in and go anywhere.

Since I'm not American I don't have a good idea of what 1024 sq feet is: it's about 95m². I laughed out loud when I realised just how small it is. To suggest this is large enough for a strictly separated adult and children section is profoundly unserious.

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Post by danaris »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #97
_Algernon_ wrote: post #72

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The fundamental problem—and it's a big one—is that in the physical world, age verification does not result in a centralized log of when and where I was, and what I did. If I buy cigarettes I show my paper id to some dude and then buy smokes. It's transient with no record (except the fallible memory of the bloke doing the ID check). This is not true for the proposed age verification schemes for the internet and that i…

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...Who is accurately and reliably doing age verification online?

How can you guarantee that the credential you're getting belongs to the actual person on the other side of the screen?

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Post by dmix »

CPLX wrote: post #79
soulofmischief wrote: post #30

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This goes against the very ethos of the early web. We should not be normalizing any form of this extreme moral overreach.

How did widespread adoption of the libertarian techno-utopianism of the early web work out for society as a whole?

It existed only on the edges, usually in softer pragmatic forms, and stopped a lot of bad ideas as a pressure group.

Characterizing the entire development of software and the internet in 90s-2000s as based on libertarian techno-utopinanism is largely manufactured narrative though. One I keep seeing pop up more and more. Largely by people trying to push poorly though out authoritarian gov-controlled internet by spinning the present internet (and parenting) as a product of some ideological radicalism.

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