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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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post #84

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That's literally what EU privacy laws are about and guess what... Anti government folk from the USA hated them and decided they were government overreach.

Ah yes, lock you up for Facebook posts UK is the bastion of privacy.

To be fair to OP I don’t think the UK is in the EU

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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post #96

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

> If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. But there won't be. Because the ultimate purpose of laws like this isn't really to prevent minors from accessing porn. Ultimately, it's to 1) outlaw porn for everyone , because it's "sinful", and 2) outlaw disc…

Don't forget about sex education and literature in general

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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The fundamental problem—and it's a big one—is that in the physical world, age verification does not result in a centralized log of when and where I was, and what I did. If I buy cigarettes I show my paper id to some dude and then buy smokes. It's transient with no record (except the fallible memory of the bloke doing the ID check). This is not true for the proposed age verification schemes for the internet and that i…

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Age verification is easy. Age verification that leaves no record, is anonymous, and not circumvent-able is difficult. In the physical world it relies on the fallibility of human memory. No such luck with replicated databases.

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In practice this is going to be utilized to shut down sex education and other content deemed "harmful to children".

States have had these laws for a while now. Is there evidence that this has happened?

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's literally what EU privacy laws are about and guess what... Anti government folk from the USA hated them and decided they were government overreach.

Ah yes, lock you up for Facebook posts UK is the bastion of privacy.

Firstly, the UK is not in the EU. That's what Brexit was.

Secondly, incitement to violence is illegal in most countries. If you think it's not in yours, why not try it and see where you end up?

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post #14

> The public library in rural Donnelly, Idaho, at only 1,024 square feet, had no practical way to create an enforceable “adults only” section and no budget to defend against lawsuits. Therefore, to comply with the law, they decided to make the entire library for adults only. The library has banned minors from entering the library (even to use the bathroom) unless they are accompanied by an adult, or holding a waiver…

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An ADA compliant bathroom is almost 200sqft. And they will need at least 2 of them. So now that 1000sqft is now 600sqft. And they still need a place to store and process books, reading rooms, etc.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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post #33

"Party of free speech," my ass.

The GOP under Trump has considerably changed from the GOP under Bush. There is no longer a political home for Reagan/Bush-style conservatives. Perhaps a shift might be coming with the next economic downturn, which seems inevitable given the risk-off investment climate across most industries stemming from Trump’s erratic, unpredictable trade and economic policy. Things don’t look bad just yet, but it takes a while for…

> There is no longer a political home for Reagan/Bush-style conservatives.

There is, they just don’t like it for aesthetic and/or historical reasons.

The faction that currently runs the Democratic party is the centrist, deficit-reducing, foreign-intervention-when-necessary party of Reagan/Bush.

If the centrists and moderate conservatives could make common cause, they would easily shut out both the far left and far right wings of American politics. The demographics are there.

I think the main wedge preventing this unification is still abortion, and to a lesser extent LGBTQ rights. But it’s so weird to see two political factions that agree on 90% of policy get shellacked and overruled by their respective extreme wings. Real tail wagging the dog stuff.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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> In fact, under the laws that the Supreme Court just upheld, prosecutors in Tennessee and South Dakota can even reach across state lines and prosecute writers on FELONY charges for a single paragraph of sexually-explicit writing on my site that they think "harmed" kids in their states, facing up to FIFTEEN years in prison, for failing to implement ID-checks on my dinky little free WordPress site. > It's unlikely the…

If an state AG tries to prosecute an entity that has no ties to the state other than content being passively accessible, that's probably another supreme court case if it doesn't get immediately decided in favor of the defendant in the lower courts. You open a big can of worms if entities are required to proactively comply with regulations in states they have zero presence in.

If Texas wants to block content from entities that have nothing to do with Texas, they can build their own great firewall.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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post #12

A bit off base. He's basically having a meltdown over what's actually a pretty narrow ruling about age verification. First, he claims the Court "nullified the First Amendment" for sex writing, but that's just not what happened. The Court explicitly said adults still have the right to access this stuff—they just need to show ID first, like buying beer. That's not "nullification." Second, Ellsberg acts like any sex sce…

This isn't only about H.B. 1181 specifically, it's about precedent for any law like it having teeth across state lines.

The ruling was not about anyone being prosecuted over state lines. So there was no precedent set.
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