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Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by numpad0 »

brainless wrote: post #61

I am on the fence with these topics because I have years of fear drilled into me. These topics are a taboo and I have rarely ever tried anything at all. The experiences did not ruin me, they made me more curious about my brain in a positive way. But the social taboo lingers. What surprises me the most is that we have accepted sugar, alcohol, cigarettes and a ton of mass manufactured food which are harming us. I am st…

Isn't the distinction based on whether the substance directly cause a wage gap and/or significant life expectancy loss? Someone on meth all the time can literally fatigue-free until there is no brain matter left, but someone on coffee or beer can not.

It is often argued that some of generally illegal substances like marijuana is only toxic to comparable extents as legal substances, but there are observations that it seem to trigger some types of megalomaniac schizophrenia, so the fence probably has reasons to be there, I think.

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Post by mcherm »

numpad0 wrote: post #271
brainless wrote: post #61

I am on the fence with these topics because I have years of fear drilled into me. These topics are a taboo and I have rarely ever tried anything at all. The experiences did not ruin me, they made me more curious about my brain in a positive way. But the social taboo lingers. What surprises me the most is that we have accepted sugar, alcohol, cigarettes and a ton of mass manufactured food which are harming us. I am st…

Isn't the distinction based on whether the substance directly cause a wage gap and/or significant life expectancy loss? Someone on meth all the time can literally fatigue-free until there is no brain matter left, but someone on coffee or beer can not. It is often argued that some of generally illegal substances like marijuana is only toxic to comparable extents as legal substances, but there are observations that it…

> Isn't the distinction based on whether the substance directly cause a wage gap and/or significant life expectancy loss?

No. I feel QUITE certain that the distinction is based on whether or not the substance has a history of a few generations of widespread use among western Europeans ("white people").

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Post by solfox »

Accessibility is great, but you really should have a guide supporting you for your first journey. This is very different than being (say) introduced to a computer for the first time. Having an experienced friend/practitioner/therapist there can help you go deeper, keep you safe, and support you in integrating your experience. This is probably the most potent psychedelic on the planet.

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Post by firtoz »

sneak wrote: post #234
firtoz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some decent communities in Discord, for both research oriented but also hobby oriented communities of psychedelics.

I can’t imagine discussing use and possession of Schedule 1 substances on a non-e2ee, logged-in-cleartext-forever platform. You’re opening yourself up to blackmail by hundreds of different parties. It is blatantly irresponsible to host such communities on Discord. Possession and use are federal felonies .

1: I'm not in the USA

2: people don't really care that much

3: It's so easy to protect your identity

4: you can talk about things without incriminating yourself

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Post by dudeinjapan »

more-nitor wrote: post #237
dudeinjapan wrote: post #183

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Growing up my friend’s dad was a conservative christian and a frequent caller into conservative talk radio shows. There was a state referendum to legalize marijuana, so I asked what he thought. “Of course it should be legal. It says right there in Genesis—God said: I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth. What could be more clear-cut than that?”

hmm so.. "I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth" is followed by "to eat/stuff into nose"? with this stupidity, maybe you should try eating list of 20 deadly plants and see how it goes? "ownership" means "edible/nose-able"... maybe you should try eating your car?

The words are written in the first chapter of the first book.

Clearly God did not mean “use” as “in turn into rope and strangle other people” (violating other commandments) but nowhere does God say herbs can’t be used for medicine or wine can’t be used for its intoxicating effects, (within some reasonable degree of moderation.)

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Post by dudeinjapan »

mopenstein wrote: post #258
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #239

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Been a while since I've read Genesis but I don't recall God putting any terms and conditions on it

Tells you to eat every planet, creates plants that are fatally poisonous to humans. That God fella sure is strange.

Nah he just created all the plants/fruits/etc. and then gave them to Adam and Eve without an instruction manual. Never told them to eat anything in particular. I think it was still a nice gesture.

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Post by temp0826 »

lukan wrote: post #245
temp0826 wrote: post #211

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With pharmahuasca or ayahuasca analogues maybe. With a normal/traditional brew it's essentially impossible to overdose (think like 3-4 liters of the stuff). Analogues like syrian rue are a lot easier to overdose though, it's a pretty small amount of material needed. Also the vast majority of people are done purging within a few hours...not "days" (Source: work at retreat center and have drank hundreds of times)

You seem to know, what you are doing. Is the retreat center where you work located in europe?

No (and sorry I don't know enough european centers to suggest any. My perspective is that the substance you drink is only one part of it, the curandero and their experience is the other, and I can't imagine there would be a lot of traditional experience over there)

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Post by dudeinjapan »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #239
more-nitor wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm so.. "I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth" is followed by "to eat/stuff into nose"? with this stupidity, maybe you should try eating list of 20 deadly plants and see how it goes? "ownership" means "edible/nose-able"... maybe you should try eating your car?

Been a while since I've read Genesis but I don't recall God putting any terms and conditions on it

All of the Bible is T&C’s. God’s goal was to make it longer than Apple’s but he failed. (Ironically Apple was the one fruit Adam and Eve weren’t supposed to eat.)

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Post by [deleted] »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #275
more-nitor wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm so.. "I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth" is followed by "to eat/stuff into nose"? with this stupidity, maybe you should try eating list of 20 deadly plants and see how it goes? "ownership" means "edible/nose-able"... maybe you should try eating your car?

The words are written in the first chapter of the first book. Clearly God did not mean “use” as “in turn into rope and strangle other people” (violating other commandments) but nowhere does God say herbs can’t be used for medicine or wine can’t be used for its intoxicating effects, (within some reasonable degree of moderation.)

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