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Re: Apple vs the Law

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> "...unfortunately, it's impossible to do all the complex engineering to comply with the Commission's current interpretation of the DMA..." There's nothing complex and impossible about removing some "if" statements responsible for code signature enforcement.

I honestly didn't expect the "it's just one line of code" argument on Hacker News.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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SAP, Spotify, Sitecore, Roche, Airbus, CERN (the ecosystem powers its research), CodePlay, SN Systems, BAYER, Roche,....

Since when is Airbus a small company and not part of the large state supported corp monopoly gang? Same with SAP, Roche and Bayer. These are all masive corporations that swallowed entire sectors. Same with Spotify having used its monopoly status to screw over smaller artists. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read such comments. Let me ask you guys something else, if EU hates large monopolist companies so muc…

Easy, on the car companies that already exist with much better build quality.

We don't need cars from fascists.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Not in the view of the general public. The 'colourful era' of Mac G3s, and fancy iPod ads went a long way into making the average consumer see them as trendy, cool, and disrupting the normal boring tech industry we were used to. That reputation got them really far by riding the wave into the launch of the iPhone. Since then their reputation has been slowly eroding with the average consumer with the combined stagnatio…

That was exactly during the humble phase when the possible bankruptcy was still not yet fully sorted out. They were also doing visits to universities showing how great it was the BSD / NeXTSTEP foundations of OS X, for doing UNIX related stuff. Similar to how NeXT used to position itself against Sun, and other UNIX workstation vendors. During my CERN stay at 2003 - 2004, they did visits to our IT telling more or less…

Yep, as I keep saying. They built a bit of good reputation by breaking the mold, so the average consumer thought they were the greatest tech company ever. As time has gone on the mask has started to slip and the general population are starting to see them for the big business they are.

We techies always saw it, but the average consumers are only just begining to catch up.

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I’m a bit conflicted: when I used to care more about this freedom stuff say 10 years ago, I would have been more in favour of these regulations. Today I care less about that and more about security and I mostly think that Apple’s preferred approach is better for security than what the EU proposes. That said, I am not super happy about the rate of scams or junk in the App Store. I think even for Americans who like the…

Today I care less about that and more about security and I mostly think that Apple’s preferred approach is better for security than what the EU proposes.

This is mostly a false dichotomy that Apple likes to push. macOS has strong security with sandboxing, code signing, malware scanning, etc. I have never encountered someone among my direct acquaintances who had their Mac compromised. Yet, it's perfectly possible to make an alternative app store, circumvent code singing, etc. on a Mac.

Even with the freedom of an EU iPhone, you can still choose to completely stay in the Apple ecosystem and pretend that the extra freedoms that you have gained aren not there.

The thing is that Apple knows that people will purchase from an alternative reputable store if the prices are lower because the margins are lower. Or that developers will move there because they can increase their margins. And then Apple will actually have to compete on price (app store fee) and features.

It has very little to do with security and mostly with Apple wanting to keep their 15%/30% because it's hugely profitable.

the precedent for the powers European governments get over these tech companies as the other thing they want is removing as much encryption as reasonably possible

This does not make any sense at all. Why would you remove encryption, you could just accept an additional root certificate as a user and be protected by the same encryption.

I think it seems pretty important that the EU (and U.K.) work out how to escape the anti-innovation troughs they have found themselves in.

We are doing fine, we just don't believe in profit over everything. Moreover, the current US tech feudalism makes it harder to innovate and develop competitors, because you only get to do what the feudalist overlord permits you to do. Regulation is necessary to make it a fair marketplace again.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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The saddest part of this whole fiasco is that Apple itself is suffering from the lack of competition. Apple Watch for example gets a huge boost from being the only wearable that integrates with iOS. But it has a lot of quality issues, and is by far the worst Apple product in my opinion. Apple would have a lot more incentive to improve it if they had to compete with other smart watches on a level playing field.

Yeah. I recently got a Garmin Watch after years of using an Apple Watch. On Android you can enable/disable notifications per app. On iOS you are stuck with all or nothing because Apple does not permit the same amount of integration as they permit their own products.

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Europe is centre right? That is an interesting claim. I guess someone’s right is someone else’s left.

Where would you place it? I'm curious because centre-right is quite spot on.

Socially and economically left wing. Progressive socially and interventionist economically.

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I wish people would stop comparing a stock (market cap) with a flow (GDP).

Can you also expand on why? Especially in this case I do feel like it’s an (imperfect) proxy for power they wield.

Because one is annual, and the other is just total. The equivalent of GDP for corporations would be annual revenue.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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I'm seriously at a loss about why people would support this increasingly developer-hostile ecosystem and essentially work towards their own demise and perhaps even the rest of their profession. I'd suggest switching to a different source of income while you still can, even if only out of self-respect.

Because as a developer, you often don't get that choice, for example, if your product is an online service. Either you have an iOS app and play by Apple's stupid rules, or you don't, and your iPhone users go to a competitor that does have an iOS app, or at the very least complain quite loudly.

If your product is an online service, having a website seems like a slam dunk.

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Since when is Airbus a small company and not part of the large state supported corp monopoly gang? Same with SAP, Roche and Bayer. These are all masive corporations that swallowed entire sectors. Same with Spotify having used its monopoly status to screw over smaller artists. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read such comments. Let me ask you guys something else, if EU hates large monopolist companies so muc…

Easy, on the car companies that already exist with much better build quality. We don't need cars from fascists.

> We don't need cars from fascists.

To be fair, that’s not what they said. I believe they’re asking where are the car companies of Tesla’s size and market position.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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I’m a bit conflicted: when I used to care more about this freedom stuff say 10 years ago, I would have been more in favour of these regulations. Today I care less about that and more about security and I mostly think that Apple’s preferred approach is better for security than what the EU proposes. That said, I am not super happy about the rate of scams or junk in the App Store. I think even for Americans who like the…

The whole tech house of cards would fall apart if tracking a user is made illegal - or serving ads based on any sort of tracking.
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