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Re: Grok 4

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> My best guess is that these lines in the prompt were the root of the problem: The second line was recently removed, per the GitHub: https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/commit/c5de4a14feb50...

Odd, when i open it the page loads for second , then disappears and claims it was unable to load the page. But by the point i've already seen what's in it.

I logged in and it started working

Re: Grok 4

#53
post #29
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well i'm running claude code 24/7 on a server - instead of short coding sessions

Running on a server? As in, running it yourself?

I’d guess in a sense that it’s on full-auto most of the time with some minimal check-ins? I was wondering how far can you take TDD-based approach to have Claud continuously produce functional code

Re: Grok 4

#54
post #21

Is it time for a new benchmark of "how easy is it to turn this AI into a 4chan poster", maybe it is since this seems to be an axis that Elon seems to want to distinguish his AI offering from everyone else's along.

I was thinking it would actually be really interesting to take the Grok system prompt that was running when it went MechaHitler and try that (and a bunch of nasty prompts) against different models to see what happens.

Yes, and I wonder if the recent research about "emergent misalignment" might be somehow related?

Re: Grok 4

#55
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Claude Code at $200 compare to their basic one, at $20?

well i'm running claude code 24/7 on a server - instead of short coding sessions

Can you describe what kind of stuff you do where it can go wild without supervision? I never managed to get to a state where agents code for more than 10 min without needing my input

Re: Grok 4

#56

So, to try and make a relatively substantive contribution, the doc mentions that the following were added to grok3's system prompt: - If the query requires analysis of current events, subjective claims, or statistics, conduct a deep analysis finding diverse sources representing all parties. Assume subjective viewpoints sourced from the media are biased. No need to repeat this to the user. - The response should not sh…

You can tell this was written by a technologist without a clue of the realities of social dynamics

* "finding diverse sources representing all parties"

Not all current events are subjective, not all claims/parties (climate change, holocaust etc.) require representation from all parties.

* "Assume subjective viewpoints sourced from the media are biased."

this one is sad because I would've said that up until a decade ago this would've also been ludicrous. Most media was never as biased as the rising authoritarian right tried to claim.

Unfortunately over the years, it has become true. The rise of extremely biased right-wing media sources has made things like FOX news arguably centrist given the overton window move. Which made the left-wing sources lean into bias and becoming themselves complicit (e.g. hiding Biden's cognitive decline)

So annoyingly this is probably a good guidance...but it also just makes the problem even worse by dismissing the unbiased sources with journalistic integrity just as hard

* " The response should not shy away from making claims which are politically incorrect"

The next mistake is thinking that "politically incorrect" is a term used by people focused on political correctness to describe uncomfortable ideas they don't like that have merit.

Unfortunately, that term was always one of derision. It was invented by people who were unhappy with their speech and thinking being stifled, and thinking that they're being shut down because of political correctness, not because of fundamental disagreements.

There's an idea that racist people think that everyone is racist they are just the only ones honest about it. So when they express racist ideas and get pushback they think "ah well, this person isn't ready to be honest about their opinions - they're more focused on being POLITICALLY CORRECT, than honest"

Of course there's a percentage of these ideas that can be adequately categorized in this space. Subjects like affirmative action never got the discussion they deserved in the US, in part because of "political correctness"

But by and large, if you were an LLM trained on a corpus of human knowledge, the majority of anything labelled "politically incorrect" is far FAR more likely to be bigoted and problematic than just "controversial"

Re: Grok 4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Claude code, trained to use its tools, compare to a model agnostic equivalentsuch as aider? Have you tried both?

There seems to be some love for opencode.ai https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44482504

Just make sure it's that one [1] and not the one that's attempting to confuse people over the name [2].

[1]: https://github.com/sst/opencode

[2]: https://x.com/thdxr/status/1933561254481666466

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