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Post by giingyui »

Aachen wrote: post #159
giingyui wrote: post #154

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I have glasses. They greatly ameliorate the issue, but not completely. My prescription is a single number which I don’t believe has the necessary granularity (I think, intervals of 0.25) to express the exact prescription I need. I also suspect that astigmatism is a deformation of parts of the eye that cannot be expressed with a single number. It’s possible I should have gone to an ophthalmologist instead of an optici…

This is very interesting, thanks for sharing details. A friend with strong corrections in their glasses always mentions they feel like they can't see much in the dark, not as much as other people anyway, but we've never been able to quantify it (that they don't see something that I do). That you always wear them in the dark sounds to me like it's indeed more important to correct this effect for dark backgrounds, whic…

It’s not ghosting, it’s halation as that bloke said. Bright things do not leave a trail, instead they are just blurry.

If I see a white LED in the dark, the LED shows some sort of smear at a certain angle and with a certain length. The length of the smear decreases the closer I get to the LED. It doesn’t change ever, even if days pass, because it’s a static deformation inside my eye. It does not leave a trail if I look around or if I move the object with the LED.

This also applies to white letters on a black screen. They are smeared at an angle. If I’m far away enough and/or the letters are small enough the smear is so large that they make it hard to read and make me nauseous. That’s why I ended up buying the glasses.

https://pixelbuddha.net/storage/51621/how-to-create-a-motion...

This is an example. The trail is not as long but it’s brighter. (Just googled “motion blur letters” - the effect is similar)

Re: Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”

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Post by dangus »

nosioptar wrote: post #117
dangus wrote: post #91

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I’m not sure what you’re asking for that person to fix, it’s just plain text and a plain dark background. You can also read the site in reader mode.

They could include a light theme. It seems pretty hypocritical that they're claiming a lack of dark mode is an accessibility problem while lacking a light mode.

Technically it’s not really hypocritical because the author never claimed that a lack of light mode is an accessibility problem.

I think it’s also notable that websites being accessible isn’t really about being tied to a specific theme, it’s about being compatible with accessibility tooling and standards (screen readers as an example). There are plenty of CSS manipulation tools that can make a website look whatever way you want.

Re: Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”

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Post by [deleted] »

gn4d wrote: post #158
dangus wrote: post #84

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I won’t switch to BetterBird because the person behind it seems off. Feels a bit like switching to TempleOS.

>Feels a bit like switching to TempleOS. That's... not a bad thing, though? Terry was an extremely competent engineer and programmer who designed his software to be as user-friendly, well-documented, and performant as possible. I have conversed with Jörg, and he is blunt and fair in a good way (code itself is emotionless, after all). And, of course, he is highly competent. I have also conversed with several Mozilla t…

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Re: Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”

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Post by nosianu »

blacklion wrote: post #132

«Manual Folder Sorting» — first, they broke 3rd party plugin for that. Next, author (not member of official Thunderbird team or employee of Mozilla) of this plugin spent more than 1 year pushing this functionality into base. Now they highlight it as big deal in new release without mention volunteer author of this BASIC feature which should be in mail client FROM VERSION 0.0.1! It is pity, that Google Mail is «good en…

> It is pity, that Google Mail is «good enough» and it killed development of good desktop e-mail clients.

Microsoft Outlook has a very large market share in the business world. There is an old and a new GUI design version, and you can run the app, or use it online.

I don't like the presentation of the individual emails especially, I find the thread-view hard to understand, especially on mobile, but it works. Personally, I would have preferred the older folder presentation designs of 20+ years ago, for me this app is trying to be too clever - in both the old and the new GUI version. However, it is just so very widespread. I have to use it because everybody else in the company uses it.

They support a huge amount of scenarios and edge cases that many businesses now depend on, combined with all the Microsoft server side and infrastructure stuff they have of which the emails are just a very small part now.

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Post by 3x35r22m4u »

kot-behemoth wrote: post #147
perdomon wrote: post #133

I have not used Thunderbird in 15 years, but I'm desperate for a decent email client. I've used Spark, Mailspring, Airmail...but I keep coming back to the MacOS Mail app. Any active users of Thunderbird who chose it over the default Mac mail client? Does it have a unified inbox for all your accounts? Dark mode looks neat, at least.

macOS Mail app is still the best native e-mail client in my experience. I have switched to Thunderbird full-time since I switched to Linux. Can confirm it supports unified inbox.

It'll sound crazy: I've never used Macs, but the IMAP-based client was Outlook Express back in 2005-2010.

100% multi-thread download and synch of folder contents, instantaneous display of messages, super-responsive.

I've tried a lot of clients on Windows and Linux and none of them get near the experience I had 20 years ago.

Re: Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”

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Post by Forgeties79 »

redeeman wrote: post #123
Forgeties79 wrote: post #93

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I try to never underestimate the incompetence/lack of concern people can have when it comes to addressing major product issues, but if this has been open for 17 years and is so widely known, somebody has surely looked into it and determined it’s not so easy.

and then they simultaneously determined "yeah, we might eat your data. Lets not warn anyone about that AT ALL, lets keep the feature activated and let them users lose their data". This behavior ought to be criminal.

Make no mistake - I am not absolving them of leaving this issue unaddressed lol just saying if it was easy they’d likely have handled it. It’s probably difficult or they just don’t know, so they keep putting it off and decided that not enough users are affected for real consequences (which is wrong to do)

Re: Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”

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Post by clickety_clack »

piskov wrote: post #13

Why instead of actual screenshots someone would use those abstract things?

My thoughts exactly. I used to use Thunderbird back in the day and I would like to be able to go back to it. I can’t even remember anymore what turned me away at the time. I’m always curious to see how it’s progressing though, and screenshots of a modern UI would probably get me to download.

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Post by saurik »

ghosty141 wrote: post #136
Nition wrote: post #24

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Thanks for linking that. I've tried Thunderbird a couple of times in the past and quite liked it, but that thread has put me off using it forever. Even if the bug is fiendishly hard to track down and reproduce, you'd think there would be some additional safety checks they could add that would at least let it fail with an error message instead of actual data loss.

Its not unlikely that similar problems exist with other mail programs but since they are closed source you dont see it

People would still complain about them on forums, often ones run by the company who makes the client! I'm often reading threads of issues on Apple's public support forums. Being open or closed source has nothing to do with hearing about problems.

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Post by saurik »

yifanl wrote: post #126
redeeman wrote: post #123

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and then they simultaneously determined "yeah, we might eat your data. Lets not warn anyone about that AT ALL, lets keep the feature activated and let them users lose their data". This behavior ought to be criminal.

It's not criminal, but you're entitled to a full refund of Thunderbird in the event it happens.

Just because something is free certainly does not make it ethical, and it doesn't even mean it should be legal.

Re: Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”

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Post by CamperBob2 »

yifanl wrote: post #126
redeeman wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and then they simultaneously determined "yeah, we might eat your data. Lets not warn anyone about that AT ALL, lets keep the feature activated and let them users lose their data". This behavior ought to be criminal.

It's not criminal, but you're entitled to a full refund of Thunderbird in the event it happens.

This line of reasoning will eventually cause it to be treated as criminal, or at least as a civil tort. Then we will all be worse off.
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