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Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by owebmaster »

bigyabai wrote: post #395
owebmaster wrote: post #392

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could be but you brought no new information besides a low level personal insult so the person you insulted added more to the discussion than you

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> Because they didn't, their original comment stands as logical fallacy, ad-hominem.

I do not want to make the same mistake as you, turning discussions into personal attacks (aka ad-hominem), but you were the only one using ad-hominem in this discussion, if you felt attacked because OP said that western leaders use Putin as a scapegoat, I think that is totally on you.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by myth_drannon »

tomhow wrote: post #410
myth_drannon wrote: post #55

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You can't comment like this on HN, no matter what it's about. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The parent submission is off-topic and spreads Jew hatred (attack on a person because Robbie Gibb is Jew and should be removed from board, similar to Columbia University president Claire Shipman comments). As someone who's grandparents experienced similar attacks during Stalinism because they were Jewish aka "zionists", this is extremely scary and totalitarian.

I just don't understand how this is allowed.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by Supermancho »

philipallstar wrote: post #400
Supermancho wrote: post #357

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> Even calling this genocide is biased. I do not agree. Unless this applies to European Jews then? They were not all killed. Some were captured, some were used as labor or for experimentation. Some started a new state! If a sustained campaign is not successful in killing every single individual, how many before you might call it a genocide? This is a poor metric. If the borders of a country are eliminated (first poli…

> Unless this applies to European Jews then? They were not all killed. I didn't say anything about "not all killed". Please - all these silly distractions and fallacies permeate any attempts to discuss this. You're not talking to an avatar representing all the worst, easiest to counter arguments from the "other side". You're talking to a real person who is articulating a view.

Characterizing history is complicated. Going about the thought process as to how I've come to my views, from a base set of assumptions, is not silly. Good luck with whatever.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by pvg »

myth_drannon wrote: post #412
tomhow wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't comment like this on HN, no matter what it's about. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The parent submission is off-topic and spreads Jew hatred (attack on a person because Robbie Gibb is Jew and should be removed from board, similar to Columbia University president Claire Shipman comments). As someone who's grandparents experienced similar attacks during Stalinism because they were Jewish aka "zionists", this is extremely scary and totalitarian. I just don't understand how this is allowed.

experienced similar attacks

That's a very good reason not to reach for dehumanizing tropes like 'vile scum' on HN or really anywhere else.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by stateofinquiry »

garbagewoman wrote: post #230
stateofinquiry wrote: post #164

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The fact that they have the same complaint from both "sides" suggests to me that they are doing a good job providing balanced coverage.

It certainly convinced you anyway

True! Apparently I am not alone, either, at least for a US audience. Here are some data.

https://www.allsides.com/blog/bias-killing-news-trust

Cheers!

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

tareqak wrote: post #393
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #382

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Your Al Jazeera link goes to a page that now states at 'least 95 Palestinians killed' but when I click the link next to that stat it takes me to an article that gives no numbers, no sources for numbers. I'm not sure why you would expect the BBC to publish something like that or why you hold that up to be good journalism?

I also find these live blog style news pages confusing. Scrolling down, I find the following > Gaza death toll hits 95 as Khan Younis attack casualties rise > At least 95 Palestinians have been killed as a result of Israeli attacks since dawn, hospital sources in Gaza tell Al Jazeera. > According to Nasser Hospital in the southern part of the enclave, the death toll of the Israeli attack on the al-Mawasi area of Khan…

I mean you still haven't established that there is a source that this story you want published could accurately report on.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by tareqak »

tareqak wrote: post #393
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #382

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Your Al Jazeera link goes to a page that now states at 'least 95 Palestinians killed' but when I click the link next to that stat it takes me to an article that gives no numbers, no sources for numbers. I'm not sure why you would expect the BBC to publish something like that or why you hold that up to be good journalism?

I also find these live blog style news pages confusing. Scrolling down, I find the following > Gaza death toll hits 95 as Khan Younis attack casualties rise > At least 95 Palestinians have been killed as a result of Israeli attacks since dawn, hospital sources in Gaza tell Al Jazeera. > According to Nasser Hospital in the southern part of the enclave, the death toll of the Israeli attack on the al-Mawasi area of Khan…

Looks like we reached the message reply limit, so I am replying here.

Pasting again

> At least 95 Palestinians have been killed as a result of Israeli attacks since dawn, hospital sources in Gaza tell Al Jazeera.

> According to Nasser Hospital in the southern part of the enclave, the death toll of the Israeli attack on the al-Mawasi area of Khan Younis that we reported on earlier has increased to seven people.

We will have to agree to disagree if hospital sources and the Nasser Hospital are not sufficient.

What source would be sufficient?

This approach towards determining relevancy is what I meant by “if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, then does it make a sound” earlier.

Update:

> Dr Mohammed Saqr, the director of nursing at Gaza’s Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis, said he had personally witnessed countless mass casualty incidents in recent weeks.

> “The scenes are truly shocking – they resemble the horrors of judgment day. Sometimes within just half an hour we receive over 100 to 150 cases, ranging from severe injuries to deaths … About 95% of these injuries and deaths come from food distribution centres – what are referred to as the ‘American food distribution centres’,” Saqr said.

> On Wednesday, between 20 and 44 people were killed, according to officials in Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/09/gaza-aid-worke...

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by bigyabai »

owebmaster wrote: post #411
bigyabai wrote: post #395

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> Because they didn't, their original comment stands as logical fallacy, ad-hominem. I do not want to make the same mistake as you, turning discussions into personal attacks (aka ad-hominem), but you were the only one using ad-hominem in this discussion, if you felt attacked because OP said that western leaders use Putin as a scapegoat, I think that is totally on you.

Okay. I'm still waiting for a substantiation of the original claim, either from you or the OP.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by NomDePlum »

bawolff wrote: post #390
NomDePlum wrote: post #347

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If we define “worse” as higher journalist deaths, zero press freedom, no access, and active targeting, then Gaza is clearly worse for journalists right now. Ukraine/Russia conflict is obviously extremely dangerous but it allows far more media access, transparency, and foreign presence.

> zero press freedom According to the world press freedom index, Israel has the third highest press freedom of all middle eastern countries (Qatar and Cyprus are a bit higher, everyone else in the middle east is lower in most cases much lower). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index#Rank... I'm not saying its a paradise for reporters. There are clearly issues. But saying "zero press freedom" is a mas…

It's not an overstatement. If external journalists aren't allowed into Gaza on their own terms then it is a fact.

How you can have a sentence that includes the word "paradise" in it when referring to what's happening in Gaza is beyond me.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

tareqak wrote: post #417
tareqak wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also find these live blog style news pages confusing. Scrolling down, I find the following > Gaza death toll hits 95 as Khan Younis attack casualties rise > At least 95 Palestinians have been killed as a result of Israeli attacks since dawn, hospital sources in Gaza tell Al Jazeera. > According to Nasser Hospital in the southern part of the enclave, the death toll of the Israeli attack on the al-Mawasi area of Khan…

Looks like we reached the message reply limit, so I am replying here. Pasting again > At least 95 Palestinians have been killed as a result of Israeli attacks since dawn, hospital sources in Gaza tell Al Jazeera. > According to Nasser Hospital in the southern part of the enclave, the death toll of the Israeli attack on the al-Mawasi area of Khan Younis that we reported on earlier has increased to seven people. We wil…

'doctors say hundreds' isn't a reportable real number though. That isn't an official number from a hospital. The reportable real numbers are from the Gaza Ministry of Health but those are cumulative numbers, not from the incident. This is basic journalism stuff that applies to every conflict, not BBC bias.
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