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Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by mikelitoris »

ars wrote: post #213
mikelitoris wrote: post #199

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The simple truth is there are a lot of zionists in powerful positions both in terms of governmental and monetary. Open wikipedia and look up cabinets and powerful people in US government since WW2. Pay attention to their ethnicity; even if half are zionists, that's a lot of people. Edit: people downvoting this, first part of the comment is just facts, second part is plausible speculation. Why are you downvoting?

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No, you are putting words in my mouth and being very reductive. Majority of powerful people is not jewish nor zionist, but there is probably a lot of zionists amongst them. And no, not all jews are zionists, nor all jews are in powerful positions.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by esseph »

Aeolun wrote: post #115
jaek wrote: post #5

Sadly it seems like this is indicative of a broader trend in Public Broadcast in the west. In Australia we've seen similar internal criticism of the ABC of an anti-palestinian bias in reporting[1]. It's deeply concerning that these publicly funded media outlets are being co-opted and manipulated by a foreign power. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/26/australias-abc-staf...

How is it possible they influence so much of what happens in western politics, or at least how whole nations respond to their genocidal war anyway?

Many US states actually have laws on the books that prohibits anybody that works with or I think event contracts with the state gov from "discrimination against Israel", in various forms, etc, depending on the particular state.

To my knowledge, no US state has any other sort of legal recognition of any other foreign government/state.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by bigyabai »

pvg wrote: post #214
crystal_revenge wrote: post #105

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The problem with this logic is that it is very, very easy for even a small number of people interested in silencing a topic on any issue they're concerned about "divisive" just by intentionally flooding the comments with knowingly inflammatory responses. This has already be used on HN to essentially silence any serious reporting on climate change. Anyone technical with an interest in data will find most climate chang…

It's not some theoretical 'divisive', you can read how these threads go yourself, including this one. The meta discussions also make these a lot worse so it's hard to blame this on some 'small number' of people.

A lot of the flagged posts look completely fine, to me. Basically the entire discussion is greyed out, which suggests a pretty intense unwillingness to talk about the subject on principles alone.

I think by playing the brinksmanship card of "there can be no level-headed discussion" you inadvertently discount a lot of perfectly coherent and important digression, on both sides. If every HN thread resorted to this logic, nobody would want to use the site.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by garbagewoman »

dmix wrote: post #112
molteanu wrote: post #93

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It's about the careful wording, about who gets to be on the spotlight, about who gets to call the other side a tyrant, an evil state, about saying things like "regime change" and no-one batting an eye. Slowly, but surely, you form an opinion as to who the bad actor is as you've seen or read about its bad behaviour (but not of the behavior of the other party) Most interestingly, it's about who holds the microphone and…

In a meta sense, yes, but in practice it’s mostly just a large collection of journalists and editors, real humans, working in a chaotic information space where there’s a large variety of angles and sources being put out at all times depending on the context. It’s equally easy to cherry pick this sort of thing to build a narrative of some ulterior agenda. Especially given the high pace that news demands in the social…

Thats a very reductive view of the situation, have you been keeping track of the headlines or are you just a disinterested outsider?

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Post by jedimind »

YZF wrote: post #85
jedimind wrote: post #70

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"Instead, the report says, the BBC’s coverage has involved the systematic dehumanisation of Palestinians and unquestioning acceptance of Israeli PR. This has allegedly been overseen by BBC Middle East Editor and apparent Binyamin Netanyahu admirer, Raffi Berg, who is accused by anonymous journalists of “micromanaging” the section." - https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/bbc-impartiality-trust-isra... "Comprehensive new r…

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Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by int_19h »

ertian wrote: post #126
Wickedflickr wrote: post #101

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Society came very close to realizing the beginnings of a decent state in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War. George Orwell faught in it, and wrote about what he saw that society achieving in his book, Homage to Catalonia.

It's not that hard for a new idea to look good for a couple short months/years. Building an ongoing, self-sustaining society that doesn't go completely off the rails is a whole other thing. There's a reason all these idyllic examples people give (Catalonia, Pre-USSR Ukrainian socialism, Paris Commune) were short-lived. If the Bolshevist revolution had been quashed in 1919, it would be idealized today.

> If the Bolshevist revolution had been quashed in 1919, it would be idealized today.

I don't think so. Pretty much all the negative things about Bolsheviks were already prominently there by 1919. Anti-democracy, mass terror, torture, concentration camps, you name it.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by ars »

mikelitoris wrote: post #221
ars wrote: post #213

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No, you are putting words in my mouth and being very reductive. Majority of powerful people is not jewish nor zionist, but there is probably a lot of zionists amongst them. And no, not all jews are zionists, nor all jews are in powerful positions.

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Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by tomhow »

tareqak wrote: post #3
Animats wrote: post #2

Better source: [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-...

The Guardian article does not have a link to the letter itself unlike the Owen Jones page. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3926pSPNwXd8j7I716CBJEz...

Thanks, we added this to the thread's top text.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Post by garbagewoman »

stateofinquiry wrote: post #164
epja wrote: post #13

It's worth noting the BBC has also been accused of an anti-Israel bias including but not limited to airing a documentary produced by a Hamas linked individuals[1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07zz5937llo

The fact that they have the same complaint from both "sides" suggests to me that they are doing a good job providing balanced coverage.

It certainly convinced you anyway
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