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Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

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Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

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post #6

When I first read this a question jumped out at me: Wait, Neanderthals were able to render fat? That requires boiling, and doesn't boiling require pottery? This led me down a bit of a rabbit-hole. It turns out that no, you don't need pottery to boil things, because you can do it just fine in combustible materials like animal hide or birch bark... so long as you keep the water level consistently high enough, because t…

I have wondered if this concept can be applied to some sort of DEW armor.

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

#52
post #22
post #6

When I first read this a question jumped out at me: Wait, Neanderthals were able to render fat? That requires boiling, and doesn't boiling require pottery? This led me down a bit of a rabbit-hole. It turns out that no, you don't need pottery to boil things, because you can do it just fine in combustible materials like animal hide or birch bark... so long as you keep the water level consistently high enough, because t…

In high school science class we boiled water using standard printer paper: fold a sheet into a box, put it on a stand over a bunsen burner, fill it with water, turn up the bunsen burner. Not only does it not burn but it retains more of its structural integrity.

With direct flame on it? I guess it was removing water molecules slower than it was absorbing water. As long as it was saturated it would be fine. Great experiment.

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

#54
post #15

And how could they've done this without language? I've heard this statement that neanderthals were "outcompeted" because homo sapiens had language and they did not (something about the way their anatomy didn't allow for making complex sounds). I call BS on that now. You can't do this kind of stuff without ability to communicate your intentions, future plans, rewards for other people and so on. Next we'll discover the…

Do you think a community of deaf people wouldn't be able to do it? :)

Deaf homo sapiens sapienses do have perfectly good language skills.

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

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post #52
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In high school science class we boiled water using standard printer paper: fold a sheet into a box, put it on a stand over a bunsen burner, fill it with water, turn up the bunsen burner. Not only does it not burn but it retains more of its structural integrity.

With direct flame on it? I guess it was removing water molecules slower than it was absorbing water. As long as it was saturated it would be fine. Great experiment.

There's also a great experiment with a normal baloon, keep a tiny bit of water in it and the you can hold the inflated balloon over a flame as long as the water doesn't boil away

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

#56
post #53

This is the first time in the wild I've seen an image credited to an artist that is clearly AI made (with some minor detail like smoke added to the foreground). You can tell it's AI by the details of the bone and piles of wood.

It doesn't make them not an artist.

There are lots of VFX professionals on LinkedIn having a total field day with AI tools and posting mind-blowing stuff. Somehow it hasn't reached the rest of social media yet.

On that last point: AI is going to propel individual artists ahead of big Hollywood studios. They won't need studio capital anymore, and they'll be able to retain all the upside themselves.

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

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post #27
post #6

When I first read this a question jumped out at me: Wait, Neanderthals were able to render fat? That requires boiling, and doesn't boiling require pottery? This led me down a bit of a rabbit-hole. It turns out that no, you don't need pottery to boil things, because you can do it just fine in combustible materials like animal hide or birch bark... so long as you keep the water level consistently high enough, because t…

Is it me or is it odd that that first paper doesn't seem to cite any source for the misconception they're trying to argue against? I don't see any cites for people who believed that boiling could not happen in fragile containers. So my question would be: how many anthropologists believed that, and when did that stop being a majority belief, if it ever was?

It’s common knowledge, less so now because we never need to do it. But go back in time and it’s common frontier knowledge, you can do this in a pinch. And in Medieval times, you can boil something in a pouch.

It’s just less reliable, the upper part hanging the bag could burn and you could lose everything. It’s just less durable. So anthropologists are likely to argue about how prevalent it was. Wouldn’t you want to transition to a more durable way as quickly as possible?

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it me or is it odd that that first paper doesn't seem to cite any source for the misconception they're trying to argue against? I don't see any cites for people who believed that boiling could not happen in fragile containers. So my question would be: how many anthropologists believed that, and when did that stop being a majority belief, if it ever was?

Honestly just ask people around you if you can boil water in a plastic or paper bag

The people around me aren't anthropologists claiming to understand ancient societies.

Re: Neanderthals operated prehistoric “fat factory” on German lakeshore

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post #8
post #4

> The production of bone grease, which required huge quantities of bone to be worthwhile, was previously considered to be something limited to Upper Paleolithic modern humans. This find pushes back the timeline by thousands of years and represents a fundamental shift in our knowledge of Neanderthal diet and adaptation. If I had to guess I’d say we learned it from them.

I am convinced that early humans were a lot smarter then given credit for. My guess is the same as yours and that they were part of a long chain of steps of learning and development that went back much farther then we have evidence for.

Neanderthals especially were probably kinda autistic.
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