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Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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As shown in these responses:

You need to be explicit in what you mean by "AGI" as people are arguing not only about the meaning of the words behind all three initials, but also the combined whole independently of the words giving rise to the initialism.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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post #21

USA, by virtue of having the leading GPU company and military. As AGI will need a lot of GPU, which Nvidia lead in. And a country with experience of ensuring they get the raw materials they need, even if they have to do a regime change by force.

Where are those NVIDIA cards build?

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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post #31

As shown in these responses: You need to be explicit in what you mean by "AGI" as people are arguing not only about the meaning of the words behind all three initials, but also the combined whole independently of the words giving rise to the initialism.

Ok, how bought using the equivelent: God.

If God showed up and was a nationalist, which nation do you think you'd want him supporting?

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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As it stands, I have a hunch that the people at the top of governments tend to be among the more highly intelligent. I'll even give that to our leaders, but also to the leader of Iran, etc. If nothing else, the intelligence required to reach that level and stay there without getting killed or purged is impressive. By and large, the countries that are run by a single, centralized intelligence, are worse off than the c…

In many cases the people at the top are just more sociopathic.

Sociopathy still needs intelligence to effectively operate. Nobody brute forces their way to the top.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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You live in a world with MANY AGIs. Collective and Swarm Superintelligence isn't a new thing at all. We call them companies, governments, organizations and churches. They just (mostly) run on meat and memes. The only recent change is that a lot of them are dangerously powerful and paperclip optimized to produce "shareholder value". I know "capitalism is a runaway swarm superintelligence" isn't the scifi future you wa…

This is a good point that gets ignored. We already have organizations that achieve superhuman tasks, and which are not always aligned for humanity's best interests.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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post #10

It's hard to say who will fare best, but it's evident who'll do the worst. The European Union will regulate AGI out of existence. Most citizens would not want to use it because of climate change, or something. I think poor countries with weak democracies or dysfunctional systems would do pretty good with AGI. I don't believe democracy will survive AGI, except, perhaps in the United States.

> I don't believe democracy will survive AGI, except, perhaps in the United States.

Will democracy survive the next 3.5 years in the US regardless of AGI? And isn't technofeudalism a Silicon Valley thing?

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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All countries fare worse. I think it's extraordinarily unlikely that some technique can reach AGI but not reach ASI. It won't have the same limits to modification as human brains. Why would it stop at a level that's just slightly disruptive? If you can make an AGI you can make a better AGI, with no obvious limit. And that AGI can help further improvements, leading to the singularity intelligence explosion scenario. A…

This is correct. It’s an existential threat.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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post #28

All countries fare worse. I think it's extraordinarily unlikely that some technique can reach AGI but not reach ASI. It won't have the same limits to modification as human brains. Why would it stop at a level that's just slightly disruptive? If you can make an AGI you can make a better AGI, with no obvious limit. And that AGI can help further improvements, leading to the singularity intelligence explosion scenario. A…

It’s important to realize the constraints of chip production and electricity production. Beware of Rationalism detached from reality.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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post #10

It's hard to say who will fare best, but it's evident who'll do the worst. The European Union will regulate AGI out of existence. Most citizens would not want to use it because of climate change, or something. I think poor countries with weak democracies or dysfunctional systems would do pretty good with AGI. I don't believe democracy will survive AGI, except, perhaps in the United States.

Democracy is exactly the thing i expect to fail in the U.S. in the next years. Probably next elections ?

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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You live in a world with MANY AGIs. Collective and Swarm Superintelligence isn't a new thing at all. We call them companies, governments, organizations and churches. They just (mostly) run on meat and memes. The only recent change is that a lot of them are dangerously powerful and paperclip optimized to produce "shareholder value". I know "capitalism is a runaway swarm superintelligence" isn't the scifi future you wa…

This is a good point that gets ignored. We already have organizations that achieve superhuman tasks, and which are not always aligned for humanity's best interests.

Its always funny seeing AI safety discussed and pointing at it as "that is just the problems with capitalism in microcosm"
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