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Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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As it stands, I have a hunch that the people at the top of governments tend to be among the more highly intelligent. I'll even give that to our leaders, but also to the leader of Iran, etc. If nothing else, the intelligence required to reach that level and stay there without getting killed or purged is impressive.

By and large, the countries that are run by a single, centralized intelligence, are worse off than the countries that are run by the distributed intelligence of the people, even if the average intelligence is lower.

My prediction is that the liberal democracies will fare better.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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You live in a world with MANY AGIs.

Collective and Swarm Superintelligence isn't a new thing at all. We call them companies, governments, organizations and churches. They just (mostly) run on meat and memes.

The only recent change is that a lot of them are dangerously powerful and paperclip optimized to produce "shareholder value".

I know "capitalism is a runaway swarm superintelligence" isn't the scifi future you want, but what criteria is it missing? The curve isn't the exponential kurzweil dreamed of, but that has only ever been a marketing pitch, all growth curves are punctuated sigmoids.

As to who does well? Who has aligned the optimization criteria for thier Super-AGI with their actual well-being? Who hasn't?

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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post #21

USA, by virtue of having the leading GPU company and military. As AGI will need a lot of GPU, which Nvidia lead in. And a country with experience of ensuring they get the raw materials they need, even if they have to do a regime change by force.

I think China would win. They simply have SO MUCH more electricity build. They are constantly bringing more online as well. They could capitalize on manufacturing and AGI with their technology would be able to do things in the physical world.

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As it stands, I have a hunch that the people at the top of governments tend to be among the more highly intelligent. I'll even give that to our leaders, but also to the leader of Iran, etc. If nothing else, the intelligence required to reach that level and stay there without getting killed or purged is impressive. By and large, the countries that are run by a single, centralized intelligence, are worse off than the c…

In many cases the people at the top are just more sociopathic.

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post #21

USA, by virtue of having the leading GPU company and military. As AGI will need a lot of GPU, which Nvidia lead in. And a country with experience of ensuring they get the raw materials they need, even if they have to do a regime change by force.

We don't do a lot of the essential manufacturing for those GPUs.

And AGI automates the US competitive advantage (white collar work). Plus we're gutting our universities and national science funding so we're losing that anyways.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

#28
All countries fare worse.

I think it's extraordinarily unlikely that some technique can reach AGI but not reach ASI. It won't have the same limits to modification as human brains. Why would it stop at a level that's just slightly disruptive? If you can make an AGI you can make a better AGI, with no obvious limit. And that AGI can help further improvements, leading to the singularity intelligence explosion scenario. Assuming AI researchers continue with the same attitude toward safety as usual, and I see no evidence of this changing, the most likely result is the extinction of all biological life.

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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USA, by virtue of having the leading GPU company and military. As AGI will need a lot of GPU, which Nvidia lead in. And a country with experience of ensuring they get the raw materials they need, even if they have to do a regime change by force.

Assuming AGI leads to high unemployment, how would the US economy fair under the current administration, which has said no to UBI?

Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?

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As it stands, I have a hunch that the people at the top of governments tend to be among the more highly intelligent. I'll even give that to our leaders, but also to the leader of Iran, etc. If nothing else, the intelligence required to reach that level and stay there without getting killed or purged is impressive. By and large, the countries that are run by a single, centralized intelligence, are worse off than the c…

I think the voters in liberal democracies confuse confidence with competence. The real intelligent persons know their limitations and rarely say that they have a solution to every problem.
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