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Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by AngryParsley »

oliwarner wrote: post #12

Can anybody say "bubble"? It's clear to most people Apple isn't worth the money the stock markets assign it - well over half their cap is investment in the brand. If they ever do anything to damage that or if they do something even remotely wrong, a whole lot of people are going to lose a whole lot of money.

Is it really so clear? Anyone who thinks AAPL is overvalued (including you) can make lots of money by shorting or using puts appropriately. People aren't doing that, so they must not be very confident about Apple's stock price decreasing.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by hyperbovine »

neya wrote: post #19
martin_bech wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not innovating? This year they've already delivered the new iPad, the retina MacBook Pro, and are set to announce and deliver the iPhone 5, the iPad mini, possibly new iMacs and a TV. And the last five years they created or helped create: The Smartphone market The Tablet market The App market The Locationbased market

EDIT: I see nothing innovative with the list of devices you mentioned - 'The new iPad', 'Retina MBP', etc. They are just iterations of previous devices with a higher resolution. The iPad mini is old news, because it is just following the path the Nexus 7 has set. Nothing innovative here. Many talk about fragmentation on Android all the time, just wait and see how much fragmentation, nightmares and hell this Retina re…

What originally prompted you to create an account?

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by odiroot »

dsirijus wrote: post #16
shail wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

first of all I don't think its wise to really say demeaning words about some profession (its the oldest profession and still running many people's house). secondly, there is nothing like an obvious patent, if a patent is defensible then its very much obvious that it wasn't obvious. Remember, Apple hasn't won a case against a small startup. Samsung in itself is a pretty big company and has all the resources to fight A…

> If it were not for apple, you would still be typing on a physical keyboard on your cell phone. No I wouldn't.

I would, happily.

I dread the times we no longer have a choice to type on a physical keyboard. Not one Android/iOS phone would now convince me to throw away my N900.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by neya »

hyperbovine wrote: post #22
neya wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: I see nothing innovative with the list of devices you mentioned - 'The new iPad', 'Retina MBP', etc. They are just iterations of previous devices with a higher resolution. The iPad mini is old news, because it is just following the path the Nexus 7 has set. Nothing innovative here. Many talk about fragmentation on Android all the time, just wait and see how much fragmentation, nightmares and hell this Retina re…

What originally prompted you to create an account?

Certainly not an argument where I simply wanted to defend an electronic brand I liked. I was applying for YC.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by dsirijus »

odiroot wrote: post #23
dsirijus wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it were not for apple, you would still be typing on a physical keyboard on your cell phone. No I wouldn't.

I would, happily. I dread the times we no longer have a choice to type on a physical keyboard. Not one Android/iOS phone would now convince me to throw away my N900.

I was just trying to say that someone would have made touchscreen as primary input method. Sorry for the ambiguous statement.

But, I could've argued in your direction too - I really miss physical keyboard. Typing on touchscreen is just plain wrong, imho.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by petewailes »

martin_bech wrote: post #15
neya wrote: post #4

Seriously, I'm tired of all this BS. What matters for a real company is how they stand to innovate, not how much they make. Right now, Apple's strategy seems to be more of 'litigate' than innovate. What's the use of all this market cap by exercising unfair, unjust monopoly by abusing the patent system with trivial, BS patents? I know a lot of companies that don't make a lot of money but strive for true innovation (Eg…

Not innovating? This year they've already delivered the new iPad, the retina MacBook Pro, and are set to announce and deliver the iPhone 5, the iPad mini, possibly new iMacs and a TV. And the last five years they created or helped create: The Smartphone market The Tablet market The App market The Locationbased market

Absolutely everything on that list is iterative, not innovative. Including the TV. Even if it's got a sublime user experience, it's still going to be used for showing programs, films and acting as a monitor for games consoles (although probably also a mini-console, as it'll inherit the app store apps too).

Still, nothing actually innovative there.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by jamesjguthrie »

shail wrote: post #14
pwaring wrote: post #11

Market cap means nothing though. Facebook's size measured this way was bigger than all the publicly listed supermarkets in the UK combined, yet Facebook makes less profit than each of them individually.

I am pretty sure the post would be true if measured on profits, roughly.

Yep. Q2 2012 profits:

Apple - 11.6 billion

Microsoft - 5.11 billion

Google - 2.89 billion

Facebook and Amazon both < 1 billion

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by hyperbovine »

goggles99 wrote: post #9

Apple has become the big bully a-hole company that Microsoft used to be (perhaps even worse). Apple always was the little guy and had it's faithful niche market. It was the "underdog" that everyone rooted (or at least deep down felt a bit felt sorry for). Now it has "sold out" and gone mainstream. It has become a greedy corporate giant and with it's figurehead now out of the picture - it's image has begun to tarnish…

Ahem. This is way over the top. Apple's global desktop market share is 6% to Microsoft's ~90%. Yes yes mobile is the future, but people worldwide still spend way more time using MS products than Apple products, even when you take that into account.

There are legitimate reasons to suspect that Apple's most innovative days are behind them. (For instance, my guess is that, barring the Apple TV which the late Steve may or may not have bequeathed them, they have no "next big thing" in the pipe.) But the ones you describe are not among them.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by megablast »

rodh257 wrote: post #5

Am I the only one who is tired of being updated what Apples market cap is now bigger than? At first they were interesting stats, but in reality it isn't overly useful information.

Skip the story, not a big hassle. There are lots of stories on HN I am not interested in, yet do not feel the need to write about it. This should always be a rule.

I think it is pretty amazing, and only recently remember when it was big news that Apple were worth more than Microsoft.

Re: Apple is bigger by market cap than Microsoft, Google, Amazon & Facebook combined

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Post by andreyf »

neya wrote: post #19
martin_bech wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not innovating? This year they've already delivered the new iPad, the retina MacBook Pro, and are set to announce and deliver the iPhone 5, the iPad mini, possibly new iMacs and a TV. And the last five years they created or helped create: The Smartphone market The Tablet market The App market The Locationbased market

EDIT: I see nothing innovative with the list of devices you mentioned - 'The new iPad', 'Retina MBP', etc. They are just iterations of previous devices with a higher resolution. The iPad mini is old news, because it is just following the path the Nexus 7 has set. Nothing innovative here. Many talk about fragmentation on Android all the time, just wait and see how much fragmentation, nightmares and hell this Retina re…

Please don't argue like that: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
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