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The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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Northern countries don’t have the soil. Even if you take it for granted that the water, heat and sunlight will be there, it takes millennia to create good farmland. Even with heavy investment it would take decades. Vertical farms would work, but those work almost anywhere.

What??? Do you say that Denmark, Sweden, north Germany, Poland, and the Baltics can't grow crops due to lack of good soil?

Most of Scandinavia is recently emerged and you can use your hands and a wooden stick to remove the vegetable soil and uncover the silt that was at the bottom of the ocean a few hundred years ago. And before that, that silt was dirt mixed in the ice. So, there is not a lot of organic anything there.

However, I think that soil is good enough. With the huge caveat that I'm not an expert by any means, I do believe that fertilizers and greenhouses would work. Also, you can make soil with some organic refuse and rudimentary industry. It's more of a question of all the other factors (labor) can be put in place.

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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Why the article talks about Iran in an article supposedly about "Mediterranean water"? It felt out of place for me

In terms of climate zones, it’s arguably connected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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> It's a crisis measured in hard numbers: reservoir levels, rainfall data, aquifer depletion rates. Of course I went to check the actual numbers from official sources and they tell a different story. Reservoir levels near historical maximum. So much for building an article on "hard numbers" without pointing to sources.

For cypress its half as much water in the reseviours compared to last year: https://www.moa.gov.cy/moa/wdd/Wdd.nsf/page18_en/page18_en?o... what data are you looking at?

Maybe that Sabine lady with the Youtube channel that people seem to take seriously because she has a funny German accent?

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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> It's a crisis measured in hard numbers: reservoir levels, rainfall data, aquifer depletion rates. Of course I went to check the actual numbers from official sources and they tell a different story. Reservoir levels near historical maximum. So much for building an article on "hard numbers" without pointing to sources.

And you thought you’d refute it by also not providing sources?

Can you? can you provide a historical (25+ years) chart of reservoir levels in Cyprus or any EU country? Otherwise let me assume you just fell for a sensationalist article

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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Desalination is not just about power, you've have to build and maintain the thing. There are consumables as well.

Also, the brine. Though I assume if water becomes scarce enough, we'll just dump the brine back into the environment and nature be damned as per usual

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Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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Are more northern countries able to take over some of the production? I'd guess maybe as water declines in southern countries, the temperature rises so more northern latitudes might grow the same crops. Of course it's going to take time for different agriculture regions to get set up.

One of the challenges is that the decline in water in southern regions is not solely climate driven - even if we froze the climate as it is right now, ground water sources are being overdrawn (from the article for example, Cyprus is overdrawing ground water by 40%, but rainfall is only down 17% since 1900), and so we would expect regions to face agricultural collapse faster than climatic zones shift north.

So far, climatic zone shifts are on the order of 10-100km per decade.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/redrawing-the-map-how-the-wor...

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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And you thought you’d refute it by also not providing sources?

Can you? can you provide a historical (25+ years) chart of reservoir levels in Cyprus or any EU country? Otherwise let me assume you just fell for a sensationalist article

You’re the one saying you have sources that disagree with the article not me?

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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This is a good, thoughtful analysis. I think many people outside the Mediterranean region are simply unaware of water issues there. As for the UK, I can't understand why they have allowed sustained high immigration rates for decades despite food insecurity and a housing shortage.

What food insecurity? We joined a successful agricultural union (the EEC, in 1973) and remained a member of its successor for decades and had fantastic access to produce, and some of the cheapest food in the EU (also thanks to a highly competitive grocery sector) Even since leaving, the food supply issues have been very minor. We may have food insecurity in the future but I'm confused if you're implying we've had any…

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Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desalination is not just about power, you've have to build and maintain the thing. There are consumables as well.

Also, the brine. Though I assume if water becomes scarce enough, we'll just dump the brine back into the environment and nature be damned as per usual

Dumping concentrated ocean water back into the ocean just can't be a big problem.

Re: The Coming Storm: How Mediterranean Water Collapse Could Reshape Britain

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> why they have allowed sustained high immigration rates for decades recently its because we need skilled and cheap labour to fill the holes in our health and buisness system. Housing shortages is not a direct immigration issue[1], its a policy issue. People of a certain type do not want high rise buildings near them. people of another different type are really happy because they can now build less and sell for more.…

Britain has a very generous welfare system it cannot afford and appears to be unable to even reverse its expansion. According to the Center for Migration Control, there are 1.15 million foreign born individuals claiming some form of in-work benefit. Irrespective of one's views on the migrant question, this is unsustainable. For instance, the National Health System (NHS) has recently been sending patients to Poland an…

In-work benefits should have been presented as a short term measure to cushion the impact of the introduction of the minimum wage. The minimum wage should then have been steadily increased to eleminate the benefit.

Alternatively, use the computer system that manages the in-work benefits to find out which companies are exploiting the current system and tax them to fund their own workforce.

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