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Post by magarnicle »

mrtksn wrote: post #480
hayst4ck wrote: post #463

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This country was founded on the idea that rights transcend government and that a government cannot grant rights because rights do not come from law, but from human dignity intrinsic to all of us. If rights are derived from human dignity, then a government cannot grant them, it can only protect them. If a government were to grant rights, then they would be privileges and not rights. You can read the American founder's…

what I find puzzling is how come the new administration is moving so fast without resistance? As with US other countries also have some intrinsic understanding of how the government should work and when a government does something against some principle, they are met with huge pressure from the public. People will stop cooperating or start protesting. It took Erdogan 20 years to dismantle the core of the secular repu…

I could speculate by comparing it to my own country, but I think Benedict Evans has the best insight on this:

America's peers as a country are not Europe, Japan, Turkey, but other very large area, very large population countries i.e. Russia, China, Brazil, India.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

account42 wrote: post #506
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #444

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This happened to my wife in Japan when we were trying to board the second try of our flight cancelled the day before. I told them "we don't have any Japanese money, and anyways, this was Delta's fault, so just get them to pay." We sat around for a half hour while they got Delta to pay her fine.

Do they not have ATMs at the airport? Seems unnecessarily risky to not just take the opportunity to pay the fine as quickly as possible - visa overstays can easily end in detention in many (especially Asian) countries and not just in the US. And while the delay might have been the airline's fault and possibly you could have a civil claim against them for damages incurred it is still your responsibility to have a vali…

They should have taken care of this when they brought us back into Japan after the flight was canceled (they didn’t catch it when the re admitted her into Japan and the visa was invalidated on her way out since it was single entry, and the flight was to the states so most passengers were visa waiver). And anyways, they were so apologetic that I didn’t really doubt that the Delta Japanese ground crew would just take care of it.

The really sad story is that the flight was canceled a second time after that drama, and we were really feeling a lot of emotions over that debacle. Suffice it to say we’ve sworn off delta for awhile.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #551
IncreasePosts wrote: post #549

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Let's ask the Norwegian if there was in fact a picture of his drug paraphernalia on his phone. That should help us resolve the issue. If there was that picture, it would be totally weird that he only mentioned his JD Vance meme and not the drug picture

Again photos of illicit materials on your phone is not grounds for refusal of entry into a country. There is no law for that.

The law for entry to a country is not "you're allowed in so long as there is now law specifically making what you did illegal in the country"

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Post by beej71 »

account42 wrote: post #517
beej71 wrote: post #427

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Our friend from Norway (who is not a terrorist) already cancelled their US vacation plans before this story for exactly the reasons spelled out within it. We'll miss seeing them, but we get it.

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Well the United States is the one losing out on that tourist money.

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Post by kube-system »

smsm42 wrote: post #558
kube-system wrote: post #424

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Those are all examples of police agencies with police powers. This is in contrast to TSA officers screening your luggage, who have no police powers and are not police. To add another example to your list -- the TSA also has their own police (e.g. Federal Air Marshal Service), but they don't work the line screening your baggage.

They are not police either. They are just armed men at government service. TSA inspectors in particular are not armed, but that's immaterial - there are other armed government workers around that could be used if needed. Police is only a tiny part of government's armed forces. It is most visible because everybody seen the police drive around, but most people never saw DeptEd SWAT team, but that doesn't change the fac…

No, federal police are police. “Police” is a word that refers to a particular set of political powers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_Unite...

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Post by whensean »

throw4573s2 wrote: post #471
stego-tech wrote: post #193

All the bickering about the validity of this specific story and the “if you don’t like it don’t ever leave home to go anywhere ever” misses the crux of the issue that these articles are trying to raise: * Do we agree that a law enforcement arm of any country should be allowed to perform warrantless searches of electronic devices? * Do we find it acceptable that persons with critical views are denied entry to countrie…

> On the flip side, I have serious doubts about my ability to enter authoritarian regimes like China because of my outspoken critique of government policies, regardless of my intentions within their borders. I’ve posted a lot of pro-Taiwan content and not once have I ever been interrogated at the Chinese borders. Many times they don’t even talk to me. Unless you are a well-known and famous agitator, I highly doubt th…

Yes. Your reply reminds me of a friend of mine who works in the US. Every time he comes back to China, he would neurotically wipe out his phone and computer. Even though he has never encountered border inspections. In fact, in terms of what Westerners "think" China is doing in terms of surveillance, most of it is what China doesn't do, while the US is doing it and there is actual evidence. It's a very black-humored reality. The US is the real bad guy.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #528
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #513

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Authoritarianism seems to be the correct word. I agree that the term fascist is wildly over-used, to the point where actual fascist behaviours are getting normalised.

Authoritarian encompasses both Soviet Bloc-style communism as well as what I used to think was called fascism. However the other poster is claiming fascism now means both. So I need another word to describe the specific thing that I used to think was called fascism.

Yeah, I'm with your original definition. I think it's important to distinguish between left wing and right wing authoritarianism as they tend to be quite different.

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Post by jjkaczor »

RemainsOfTheDay wrote: post #542
jjkaczor wrote: post #296

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Then why are all the border states, towns and cities (and their elected representatives) begging Canadian tourists to come back, with endless advertisements, appeals to our historic friendship, temporarily re-naming streets ("Canada Street", really? Can't wait for the photo-op of an ICE raid happening there) and even silly incentives (like a 3-pack of free golf balls in one case)...? Yeah, good luck downplaying the 1…

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

account42 wrote: post #507
olalonde wrote: post #399

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They don't ask any questions when you leave either, unless you overstayed your visa. In that case, they just ask you to come back with money to pay the fine. It's actually kind of funny: they don’t detain you or anything, just politely tell you to find an ATM and come back when you have cash to pay the fine.

I don't know about about the specifics in China but amnesty for short overstays if they don't catch you on the street for it but you are actually trying to leave is not uncommon in the region. Longer overstays especially when not self-reported can easily end in detention though.

This was a paper work snafu, she was re-admitted into Japan by immigration officers after her visa was invalidated (because it was single entry and they cancelled the flight after we went through emigration). So it’s not like the violation was intentional or even avoidable.

China gives you a ten year unlimited entry visa, so it’s pretty hard to screw that up.

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Post by rhcom2 »

RemainsOfTheDay wrote: post #541
rhcom2 wrote: post #259

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This is chilling to more than just tourists. I have friends who are Mexican nationals who now have to consider any meme on their phone before their way back to the States after visiting home.

Because they are not American nationals. My last border crossing, a few days ago: "What was the purpose of your travel? ... What are you bringing back with you? ... Welcome home." Took one minute.

Good for you I guess but my point was lawful permanent residents shouldn't have to worry about memes on their phones.
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