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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by keybored »

nostrademons wrote: post #289
TremendousJudge wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the U.S. disintegrates nowhere on earth is safe. This is a very Hollywood action film way of seeing the world. In the case of an American civil war, it's unlikely that it will be fought using nuclear weapons, and in that case, it's unlikely that they would use any on say, Chile, or Australia. Europeans are screwed though.

That's not really the threat model. It's that the U.S. has played the role of policing the world's oceans and world's regional conflicts since WW2. If the U.S. descends into civil war, it will be too preoccupied with internal power struggles to continue to play that role. Many, many countries elsewhere in the world will take the opportunity to settle old scores and jockey for regional advantage. Meanwhile, the popula…

> That's not really the threat model. It's that the U.S. has played the role of policing the world's oceans and world's regional conflicts since WW2. If the U.S. descends into civil war, it will be too preoccupied with internal power struggles to continue to play that role. Many, many countries elsewhere in the world will take the opportunity to settle old scores and jockey for regional advantage. Meanwhile, the population in many countries is supported by food imports that can only be sustained while global trade can freely occur.

So it’s not the Hollywood action movie view of the world. It’s just the standard 2005 version of Pax Americana make-believe.

Meanwhile Israel has attacked Iran and its US ally said “we want to do that too”.

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Post by airforce1 »

dandanua wrote: post #196
perihelions wrote: post #18

> "placed in a cell" I think the title is deficient and should be based on this higher-weighted fact, over the weaker phrasing "refused entry". "Tourist jailed without trial for possessing political cartoon"

The higher-weighted fact is that the USA has a brutal double assassination of opposition politicians (a senator and a house representative along with their spouses), and no one is talking about that, zero mentions on hacker news. A guy detained for a Vance meme? Yeah, keep your attention on that. You live in a fascism already.

A state (not federal) house representative and her husband were murdered.

A state (not federal) senator and his wife were attempted murdered, but both survived and are expected to recover.

Your comment frames it as if 2 members of federal congress were assassinated which would have been a much bigger deal. State politicians being killed is still shocking and tragic, but try to be precise in your language as to not mislead.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #411
kelseyfrog wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're asking what is the scope of this sovereignty? In my experience, the scope is the establishment of a status hierarchy. We love to put ourselves in a privileged position. In most internet discussion, the status hierarchy extends throughout the duration of the encounter. In most Thanksgivings, the crazy uncle goes away at the end of the night, in marriages, it extends for the duration of the relati…

Yes gotcha. But just try to think it through carefully: does this really capture what is going on in these many instances? There is an implication here maybe that you have been on the short end of some interactions in the past, did you really feel subjugated by some abstract power then? Did it really seem like the person on the other end was getting some satisfaction, some giddy kickback from their "sovereignty"? Doe…

It really does capture what's going on because for decades I used to be the aggressor. That was exactly the mentality I held along with people from that group. Like recognizes like then and now.

I'm curious though, you seem to have not experienced this sort of internet domineering?

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Post by kube-system »

smsm42 wrote: post #419
kube-system wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, of course most places inspect luggage, but here in the US luggage inspection is done mostly by staff who are not police/military.

There are many more armed services in the US than police/military. Dept. of Education has a SWAT team. Amtrak has armed force. US Park service has one. Really, there are so many of them.

Those are all examples of police agencies with police powers. This is in contrast to TSA officers screening your luggage, who have no police powers and are not police.

To add another example to your list -- the TSA also has their own police (e.g. Federal Air Marshal Service), but they don't work the line screening your baggage.

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Post by abnercoimbre »

EA-3167 wrote: post #57
Disposal8433 wrote: post #29

Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

In 2023, when tourism rates had yet to fully recover from Covid, over 66 million people visited the US from abroad. I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the…

Ah yes let's ignore tech conferences like H.O.P.E. [0] or even my own [1] suffering drastic setbacks due to international attendance dropping off a cliff.

We should just lecture our audience to keep their head on straight and come travel.

[0] https://archive.is/QWmxO

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44084767

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Post by deadbabe »

platevoltage wrote: post #274
deadbabe wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

"I don't like going other places, so I don't think other people should go there places either"

Well traveling the world is a privilege, not a right. And if you go somewhere you should have a reason other than just sightseeing.

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Post by beej71 »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #29

Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

Our friend from Norway (who is not a terrorist) already cancelled their US vacation plans before this story for exactly the reasons spelled out within it. We'll miss seeing them, but we get it.

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Post by harry8 »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #311
harry8 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself No. Should have precisely zero baring on anything at all. Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech.

It is "doubly so" because the border guard was wrong to judge the content as "lese majeste" on account of JD himself sharing it, and was wrong that "lese majeste" is applicable in America. The guard was wrong, and even if one doesn't agree with one of the reasons they were wrong because they don't share those values, the guard would still be wrong for the other reason. Therefore they were doubly wrong.

I was against Charles Manson, doubly so because he had a bad haircut.

See it?

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Post by [deleted] »

tsimionescu wrote: post #17
dyauspitr wrote: post #12

Should I start putting my phone in checked baggage? Is that allowed with the batteries and stuff? I guess I can carry a cheap older smartphone with a burner number for the actual flight.

That wouldn't matter, you get your checked luggage before border control, don't you?

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Post by mindslight »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #217
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Every generation has its "free-speech advocates" moaning, "you can’t say anything anymore." The current panics: political correctness, cancel culture, jokes under siege, has the usual suspects asking, "What will the free-speech crowd say about this one?" This is a perfect example of Bourdieu's idea of symbolic violence and the violence of the arbitrary. The uncomfortable truth is, for many the thrill isn't in enforci…

It seems like we're seeing this exact dynamic play out with regards to starting wars, as well.
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