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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by tensor »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #388
tensor wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the Canadian who went to the southern border to "get a new work permit" after securing a new job? Yeah, real sketchy that, applying for a work permit to work in the country.

You secure your work permit at a consular office in Canada, you don't try to enter the US on one type of visa with the intent to convert it to a work visa once you're in. That's called preconceived intent and is against the rules.

She was not on a visa. Believe it or not Canadians can travel to the US without a visa. She also had a lawyer who advised going to the border. It was all 100% legal and standard practice.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by recursivedoubts »

happytoexplain wrote: post #156
recursivedoubts wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think political correctness is bad and that this is bad (and that the meme is very funny) too

Thinking political correctness is bad does not necessarily put you in the "political correctness is bad" camp. I think political correctness is often bad, but I am not part of that "camp", i.e. people who irrationally hate things that they use "political correctness" as a broad disparaging label for.

I think that thinking political correctness is bad puts me pretty firmly in the "political correctness is bad" camp.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by freeone3000 »

kube-system wrote: post #362
freeone3000 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your need to be technically correct outweigh your need to understand an argument?

The adjective "armed" in my topmost comment wasn't a technicality, it was the entire point of the anecdote. Do you really think I was saying that the TSA never searches luggage? Obviously the TSA searches a lot of luggage, the thing they don't do is carry guns while doing so.

Right, they have to call the guy with a gun over. Is the problem the luggage search, as in, the invasion of privacy? The explicit threat of force in the absence of immediate compliance? The assumption of guilt for the general populace? The ever-present security state continually looking to oppress?

Or is it “huh europe is weird they give their TSA agents guns instead of having the transport security and also airport police?”

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by stego-tech »

legitster wrote: post #385
stego-tech wrote: post #193

All the bickering about the validity of this specific story and the “if you don’t like it don’t ever leave home to go anywhere ever” misses the crux of the issue that these articles are trying to raise: * Do we agree that a law enforcement arm of any country should be allowed to perform warrantless searches of electronic devices? * Do we find it acceptable that persons with critical views are denied entry to countrie…

Borders in particular are tricky things. You don't have any legal right to be admitted into a country that doesn't want you, and there is no due process that protects you. Warrants are not really a thing. So it really comes down to how friendly your countries are with each other and how much you are willing to put up with to get entry.

That’s how it currently is, but now how it has always been or always will be. Never mistake the present for either the past or the future.

That’s what I’m getting at, here. Folks are digging into the details of what’s in front of them instead of stepping back and looking at the bigger picture first.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by NorwegianDude »

I had planned a trip that included the US for this summer, but the fact that they can demand the password for my devices is the main reason im not going. Having to wipe devices before travel and having to download data again because people dont respect privacy and others suck.

The fact that you have to get approved before traveling(that is fine), and then can be denied entry when you arrive for no logical reason is absurd. Visiting the US is simply not worth the risk and hassle.

Its crazy when you expect your privacy to be more respected in China.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by guappa »

keybored wrote: post #207
EA-3167 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2023, when tourism rates had yet to fully recover from Covid, over 66 million people visited the US from abroad. I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the…

> I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Why would you? > Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the inevitable abuses that occur in any vast bureaucracy? Most people have an opinion about the US.…

I'm quite sure that turkish police doesn't have time to waste checking the social accounts of people.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by guappa »

FredPret wrote: post #339
propagandist wrote: post #100

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From slavery to the Chinese exclusion act to Jim Crow to the Japanese internment camps to the patriot act. It's hard to make the case we were anything but. What has changed recently is technology collapsing the world into a single blob of information, and that aspect gets worse every year.

Despite the headline on this article you still have way more freedom and specifically freedom of speech in the US than the rest of us. The law works differently at the border, especially for non-citizens. Tourists don't have any legal right to get in. You may argue that the guards should be kinder and I would agree. The historical examples you mention involve racism and slavery that were terrible but also the global…

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by mvdtnz »

airforce1 wrote: post #342
mvdtnz wrote: post #294

USA is a country I have always wanted to visit. No more. I will never set foot in your country simply because I refuse to deal with your border force. There are plenty of other countries out there that won't treat me like a criminal. Have you ever dealt with Japanese border staff? They could hardly be more grateful to welcome you.

...unless you run afoul of any of their many obscure laws, even unintentionally. I had a relative travel to Japan with his family. He's into locksport (watches Lock Picking Lawyer, etc). He had some lock picking paraphernalia on his person that he forgot about since he just carries it around 24/7 without thinking about it. Long story short, they were discovered in a metal detector at some point and Japanese security…

This doesn't seem like an "obscure" law to me. In fact if this is a hobby of yours I would expect you to understand that it's not legal in a number of places.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by dang »

MegaButts wrote: post #205
harry8 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself No. Should have precisely zero baring on anything at all. Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech.

> Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things I know you didn't mean it this way, but both sides believe this to be true depending on how you define "the right"

This is unrelated but can you please look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44371049 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44371052?

The thread in question is already 6 days old but you (both) broke the site rules so badly that this is not one to let pass.

We end up having to ban accounts that break the site guidelines like that, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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