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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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from the article: > "They threatened me with a minimum fine of $5,000 or five years in prison if I refused to provide the password to my phone." this isn't real/legal/enforceable (as the law currently stands) is it? how does one protect ourselves against this turn of events upon entry when the immigration officer's claim fails the smell test?

?? This has been called out for more than a decade I think. Within 100 miles of the border CBP has broad discretion and rights are limited in these types of circumstances.

The question is about the threat of a $5000 fine/5 years of prison, not whether CBP can conduct inspections.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #177

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Yeah, going back and telling 2000 me and 2012 me that the Cheneys and Mitt Romney would become the conscience of the Republican party would have been interesting.

Who would you say was the conscience of the Republican party in 2012? What were they arguing for? Serious question, not American, follow their politics from afar.

I'd argue that republicans lost their conscience with Nixon. It doubly got worse with Reagan.

Democrats lost their conscience with Clinton.

The last republican president with a clear conscience was probably Bush Sr. He was also crucified for it (hence the single term). He foolishly let reason about running a government get in the way of party bluster and that ended his career.

Carter was the last democrat president with a conscience and he also was lambasted for it.

Unfortunately in the US, principles and conscience haven't resulted in party success in the last 50 years.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #203

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>individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this One of the underdiscussed aspects of an authoritarian regime is that it creates countless little tyrants that all feel empowered to exert whatever power they have in any way they see fit.

2006. O'Hare. I'm close to the front when exiting a UK > US plane. The 'agent' sees an implant (self-done years prior) in the back of my right hand. Calls it 'brutal'. I was directed to sit in a chair until way after the whole flight had disembarked. I was then questioned about my luggage, reasons for visiting. Some years later "Pull the guy with tattoos". Full search. Year or two after that, New York, pulled from th…

Frankly, I think this type of comment minimizes what is happening here. These anecdotes are nothing close to what is detailed in the story and they don't sound particularly tyrannical or even necessarily out of line. As an American, I have experienced similar things when traveling abroad in other western countries. What this article describes is much worse.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #273
post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this One of the underdiscussed aspects of an authoritarian regime is that it creates countless little tyrants that all feel empowered to exert whatever power they have in any way they see fit.

2006. O'Hare. I'm close to the front when exiting a UK > US plane. The 'agent' sees an implant (self-done years prior) in the back of my right hand. Calls it 'brutal'. I was directed to sit in a chair until way after the whole flight had disembarked. I was then questioned about my luggage, reasons for visiting. Some years later "Pull the guy with tattoos". Full search. Year or two after that, New York, pulled from th…

Isnt that why you did all that to your body? To get attention from other people? This was just not the kind of attention you thought you'd get...

Drawing attention to yourself results in attention. Who knew.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Every generation has its "free-speech advocates" moaning, "you can’t say anything anymore." The current panics: political correctness, cancel culture, jokes under siege, has the usual suspects asking, "What will the free-speech crowd say about this one?" This is a perfect example of Bourdieu's idea of symbolic violence and the violence of the arbitrary. The uncomfortable truth is, for many the thrill isn't in enforci…

Yes, we hear versions of this conceit a lot, but how does it play out? Like where exactly is this arbritrary power exercised in your mind? Where is the payout? In each discrete call out or critique? Is the world in your view just full of a million tyrants fighting for various fiefdoms, or is there just one collective bad faith actor here? How can you marry here both the overarching individualism which would make this rendering possible with collective phenomena we actually see with this stuff?

This really is just what we have been hearing from the cultural right for a long time, masked as a kind both-sides/human-nature take. It sounds good, in that it gives something like general principle to subsume all the instances. But it just doesn't really make sense in the actually existing world. How could any given side even know they are the new hegemon, the new line-drawers, at any given moment. At what point are they rewarded with regard to the influence they wield? What does it even look like? Do you have examples? Sovereignty implies a concentration of something like power, but your very point here seems to decentralize sovereignty to the point of it being unrecognizable as such. Its like taking something very individual and trying to stretch it across everything in awkward way.

Just simply: how does this actually work? When does whatever side thats on top actually get to feel good, actually get to be the sovereign?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Is this the visitor's own take on what happened? Or did they tell him "you're denied entry because of your JD Vance meme"? Per the article they also asked him a bunch of other things like about right wing terrorism. Maybe his answers sucked? Maybe he was being evasive? There was the case a few months ago of a Canadian lady being detained and denied entry "for no reason", and then it turned out she wanted to work in t…

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Has the professor shared what their messages actually were? This is the same exact issue that this thread is about - it's impossible to judge this without any kind of detail except the outcome.

The messages were described by the source in your article “reflect[ing] hatred toward Trump and can be described as terrorism”, and “hateful and conspiratorial messages”. Maybe they were? Who knows?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every generation has its "free-speech advocates" moaning, "you can’t say anything anymore." The current panics: political correctness, cancel culture, jokes under siege, has the usual suspects asking, "What will the free-speech crowd say about this one?" This is a perfect example of Bourdieu's idea of symbolic violence and the violence of the arbitrary. The uncomfortable truth is, for many the thrill isn't in enforci…

AI slop

You're tilting at windmills, friend. Was there a point you agreed or disagreed with?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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tl:dr; remove memes before entering to the US. welcome to the most free country in the world.

> Mathias Rongved, a spokesperson at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has warned fellow Norwegians that it is their duty to be clued up on US regulations before entering the country. "Most trips to the US go without any particular problems," he said.

> "Entry regulations can change at short notice, and it is the traveller's responsibility to have valid documents and be familiar with the current entry regulations. It is the immigration authorities upon arrival who decide whether you are rejected at the border. Norwegian authorities cannot intervene in this decision.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Absolutely not. If you find out that the person who is trying to enter the country has made creditable threats to the USA, Sure, but that's also illegal for a citizen to do. Saying that the president is a poopy-head on Facebook doesn't count, and says nothing about what said person's behavior will be like once they are in our borders.

Pretty much where I stand. Some speech is criminalized for good reason (for example, planning to commit a crime). However, barring that, no speech should penalized. In particular, speech criticizing actions of the government or a government official should be especially protected. The bar for when speech should be criminalized/penalized by the government should be very high. For private entities I'm far more tolerate…

Private entities are a completely different conversation. It drives me up the wall when people talk about "free speech" when they have a comment deleted on social media. (I'm not saying you said this btw)
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