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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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A teacher in school told me about the time they visited East Germany. Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism.

If border officers being armed or inspecting luggage is a definition of fascism to you, you'd struggle hard to find a lot of non-fascist countries. I have my luggage inspected each time I travel, and a lot of security personnel in airports are armed - are all airports already fascist?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#232

A teacher in school told me about the time they visited East Germany. Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism.

Interestingly, as an American, literally the only time I've had my luggage poked through by an armed guard was in a social democracy in Europe.

The only time that you’ve known of! Fly with locked luggage and see how often that lock stays intact.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Indeed, a clear indication that the meme was the reason, or at least part of the reason, to deny admission would have a very serious weight, and hopefully grounds for the reversal of the decision, and a disciplinary action.

You are talking about the US administration here, which is currently making up rules as it pleases based on the whims of a geriatric maniac, and where masked kidnappers are abducting people off the streets without repercussion. None of what you said is likely to happen.

I agree that the top of the administration is plenty rotten, but I still believe that rank-and-file people in governmental agencies did not lose their dignity, at least those who had it.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#234
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Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

They don't care, there's no compass, it's only I win/you lose.

I have a sibling that's deep into this, he would say "haha owned"

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#235

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Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

What values does the US represent?

At this point mostly hypocrisy.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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This greatly concerns me. I'm not a historian, but this reminds me a bit of the prelude to the French Revolution: a growing list of grievances against a ruling class by a population that feels abused, disenfranchised, and numerous . Even if one expects to enjoy a sense of Schadenfreude were such a revolution/slaughter to occur, our staples of daily life (food, medicine, electricity, fuel) are distributed over such a…

Yeah, I see a whole lot of media parallels to Nazi Germany, but the two historical analogues that really pop to mind for me are the French Revolution and the Breakup of Yugoslavia. Both of which ended in slaughter - the Napoleonic Wars for the former and ethnic cleansing for the latter. People are crying dictatorship now, but I don't see that being the ending here; rather, I see it as being war and death on a massive…

> If the U.S. disintegrates nowhere on earth is safe.

This is a very Hollywood action film way of seeing the world. In the case of an American civil war, it's unlikely that it will be fought using nuclear weapons, and in that case, it's unlikely that they would use any on say, Chile, or Australia.

Europeans are screwed though.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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> doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself No. Should have precisely zero baring on anything at all. Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech.

> Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech. No it doesn't. You're putting arbitrary limits to suit your views. You can support free speech for American citizens and also support using a foreigner's speech to determine whether or not we allow them into the country. That's just smart border policy. We should be vetti…

> We should be vetting who we allow into our country, and using their speech is one way to vet them.

Who is this "we" and what rules govern these "we"? What are the consequences for this "we" just up and violating the rules or throwing those rules out altogether to grift, stay in power and persecute those they hate?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#238

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Interestingly, as an American, literally the only time I've had my luggage poked through by an armed guard was in a social democracy in Europe.

The only time that you’ve known of! Fly with locked luggage and see how often that lock stays intact.

TSA removes locks with bolt cutters, they don't shoot them off.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#239

A teacher in school told me about the time they visited East Germany. Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism.

East Germany was not a fascist state, it was an explicitly anti-fascist state. Horribly authoritarian, with wanton disregard for human rights, yes, but not "fascist".

Yeah, they were a democracy:) German Democratic Republic (GDR). Same with NK: Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#240

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The only time that you’ve known of! Fly with locked luggage and see how often that lock stays intact.

TSA removes locks with bolt cutters, they don't shoot them off.

… well, yes, but they are armed guards and they are searching your luggage. I feel that’s more relevant than the exact method of lock removal.
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