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Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by arthurrr »

spot wrote: post #134
shinratdr wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want this to turn into a typical iPhone vs Android forum dicussion, so I'm not really going to say anything else. I agree, but I can't let this stand as implied fact. > But browsing on a high-end Android phone (like Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, One X, Xperia S) will be significantly faster than iPhone 4S. My comparison was to a Galaxy Nexus running Chrome. Is it fast? Yes. I personally don't find it as fast and…

jellybean solved those problems. latency was definitely one area where iOS was ahead. if you look at general features, you'll find iOS has been playing catchup for about a year.

Audio latency is better but still not very good, compared to iOS/CoreAudio. I suspect it will never catch up simply because of the underlying design, Google simply does not have the knowledge necessary to implement low-latency audio.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by moe »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #117
alberich wrote: post #70

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I always wonder if this is what they call the reality distortion effect. You get what you pay for? Long time ago I had an ibook g4. Supposedly it was very nice back then, and very pricey too. However, after playing with it sometime, it just looked cute. Overpriced and cute. Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway. Now I have an IPad (don't remember the generation) because my job. It is s…

I'm not afraid to say that on iOS, the "jail" makes the experience better for me. The entire iOS is amazing for what I need it for and for what many people need it for. I'm happy to pay the higher price because there's no other product that can substitute for the experience. I don't care about the "jail". If this is a jail then lock me up for life because it's a damn nice jail. OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You…

OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You can install whatever you want. It's a computer.

As long as your credit card is on file with apple.

You might be surprised what happens to 'your' computer after an attempted purchase fails for any reason. You won't be able to update or install any software from the app-store anymore. This includes updates for and re-downloads of apps that you have 'bought'.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by pjzedalis »

forgottenpaswrd wrote: post #75

This man is clearly lying. So awkward and artificial that is clearly fabricated, like a geek joke prepared and rationalized but void and dead of humor. Imagine a teenage that could not differentiate between and iPod and some other thing "that is the same". Yeah, because normal people know how to install a VM, do a grep and an ssh....but they could not differentiate from a computer witch battery last 3 hours instead o…

I dunno. I mean I think it's all true minus the part about the customers talking to each other and then talking to him.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by jmitcheson »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #48

Even if this is a true story, it isn't the lawsuit that made people think this. What makes people think that Apple products and Samsung products are the same is the fact that Samsung intentionally ripped them off to get exactly that. Apple did not do this. Samsung did and the lawsuit was so they could stop it. If this story is true, which it kind of sounds like it isn't, then the only reason people are being vocal ab…

Not true. 'Regular' people probably didn't think anything about this before the lawsuit. Now they think something.

Cars and computers all look pretty similar, but people manage to distinguish them. The only difference between cars, computers and mobile devices is that mobile devices were only just invented in our lifetime. We have had the experience of seeing none of them, then only one brand, then finally more brands. Cars and computers? We were born (most of us) into the reality of them already existing. With all of the different brands and models.

Trust me, once mobile devices have been around for a person's entire lifetime, that person would laugh at this lawsuit just as much as we today would laugh at a lawsuit based on 'damages' incurred from mistaking a Ford for a Honda, or for mistaking a 50" LG Plasma for a 48" Sony LCD. Mobile devices seem different because they are new. That's not Samgsung's fault..

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by evilduck »

nnnnnnnn wrote: post #51
evilduck wrote: post #43

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Also, he shows off a "OS/X" [sic] virtual machine to convince laymen that Apple's overcharging because you can run OSX in a VM. This is clearly a guy fabricating a story. Anyone who's ever virtualized OSX outside of VMWare Fusion will tell you this line is bullshit and would never offer that as a legitimate substitute for the real OSX desktop experience. Even legit OSX VMs on Fusion perform worse than their natively…

That's not something noticeable during basic desktop use. I've used VMWare Fusion a fair amount and I was very impressed. I imagine someone non-technical would not be able to tell the difference.

I would personally disagree, anything that's GPU accelerated is noticeably laggy inside Fusion and worse in Workstation. Notification Center, Launchpad, Mission Control, entering Time Machine, they all stutter. I applaud VMWare's efforts so far, but it's not the same desktop experience like Windows inside a VM can be. Further, Apple's trackpad and the gestures they integrate adds quite a bit to the OSX experience. No PC vendor comes close to replicating that and it's something you'd have to just resign yourself to never replicating fully.

But ignoring the trackpad, pitting a full screen OSX VM under optimal but real-world conditions against native OSX, I would still bet anyone could tell the difference.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by ladzoppelin »

arthurrr wrote: post #141
spot wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

jellybean solved those problems. latency was definitely one area where iOS was ahead. if you look at general features, you'll find iOS has been playing catchup for about a year.

Audio latency is better but still not very good, compared to iOS/CoreAudio. I suspect it will never catch up simply because of the underlying design, Google simply does not have the knowledge necessary to implement low-latency audio.

I agree with this and don't think Google has the desire/skill to do anything about it. This is the biggest issue for Android from day one because the portable device is now considered a musical instrument and Android can't compete. Things are going to get shaken up again once Windows 8 tablets start running Ableton Live/Cubase so at this point Google should just wait and see what happens.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by jonhohle »

moe wrote: post #142
bpatrianakos wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not afraid to say that on iOS, the "jail" makes the experience better for me. The entire iOS is amazing for what I need it for and for what many people need it for. I'm happy to pay the higher price because there's no other product that can substitute for the experience. I don't care about the "jail". If this is a jail then lock me up for life because it's a damn nice jail. OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You…

OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You can install whatever you want. It's a computer. As long as your credit card is on file with apple. You might be surprised what happens to 'your' computer after an attempted purchase fails for any reason. You won't be able to update or install any software from the app-store anymore. This includes updates for and re-downloads of apps that you have 'bought'.

Downloading a previously purchased digital asset requires confirmation of financial responsibility‽ Who would have thought!

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by evilduck »

shinratdr wrote: post #52
nnnnnnnn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not something noticeable during basic desktop use. I've used VMWare Fusion a fair amount and I was very impressed. I imagine someone non-technical would not be able to tell the difference.

There's also the small aspect of it being a complete hack and against the licensing terms of the software, making it essentially piracy.

It's fragile hack, and it is against their EULA when the host OS is not OSX, but AFAIK|IANAL, violating a EULA has no broad legal precedent set in the US yet in limiting copyright terms against consumers, e.g. violating a EULA term alone does not make it piracy.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by lurker14 »

sigzero wrote: post #122
bpatrianakos wrote: post #48

Even if this is a true story, it isn't the lawsuit that made people think this. What makes people think that Apple products and Samsung products are the same is the fact that Samsung intentionally ripped them off to get exactly that. Apple did not do this. Samsung did and the lawsuit was so they could stop it. If this story is true, which it kind of sounds like it isn't, then the only reason people are being vocal ab…

That title of the is all wrong. How do you deduce "consumers" from one conversation at Starbucks. That is wishful Android fanboyism at its finest.

The title was made up by the submitter, not the author (and has since been fixed by the mods)
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