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Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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Re: Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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Post by anon291 »

SavageNoble wrote: post #161
anon291 wrote: post #102

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On the other hand, both American parties are radical compared to the rest of the world on human rights issues such as free speech

Really? Is your speech freer than mine in Canada? Are your human Rights protected better than mine? I wonder what the rioters in LA would have to say about that?

You are a country that suspended bank accounts while your legal citizens were staging a protest at your capitol.

The LA riots involve property destruction and interference with criminal removal.

Those who are protesting peacefully and are here legally are free to continue. Some areas may be off limits while crimes are stopped.

Not the same at all.

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Post by belorn »

komali2 wrote: post #180
belorn wrote: post #113

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It is still an ongoing research topic if wearing masks against an airborne virus that primarily spread through aerosols does anything beyond a psychological effect of getting people to distance themselves and reducing spread that way. Airborne virus are notarial at spreading in places like planes, trains, busses, subway and buildings that recycle air. Meta studies looking at the effectiveness of early measures agains…

This is incorrect. Masks reduce the spread of airbone diseases, by capturing the majority of small particulates emitted from coughing, sneezing, or simply breathing. The exact amount of effect mask wearing had on the spread of COVID may be interesting to study, but probably the most significant factor is whether people were actually wearing masks (e.g., in America, they weren't, not really, but in Taiwan, we were).

For something like cotton masks, the effect is somewhere in the range of 10-20% reduction of aerosol virus, and that is only for a very short time (minutes) while the mask remains dry and not saturated (which is why studies generally describe them as having an marginal effect). After that the rate of virus becoming aerosol increase back to the same rate as without masks. Those masks are not rated nor designed to prevent airbone viruses from becoming aerosols.

There are diseases that primarily spread through droplets where mask are more effecting in addressing coughing and sneezing. COVID was initially thought to be such diseases, but was later found to primarily spread through virus aerosol. This is why the recommendations to address covid was significantly changed in the later part of the pandemic.

In order to address medical problems you got to use the right tool for the job. In the same way you do not use antibiotic to treat viruses, different masks are effective at different diseases. In order to filter respiratory aerosol viruses that remain airborne for a long period of time over extensive distances, you need the kind of masks that generally comes with their own air source. Indoor ventilation and avoiding crowded spaces demonstrated a much better result than cloth masks could ever perform.

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

anonfordays wrote: post #198
komali2 wrote: post #183

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This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "deporting illegal aliens," they're throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers. The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," I'm not sure if you grew up in the same America as me or what but I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that office…

This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers," they're deporting illegal aliens. >The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," No they wouldn't have. The America I grew up in didn't have a political party that fetishized trafficking in the third-world into the US. That is "commie shit." >I'm pre…

>Deporting them is democracy, this is a country for the of the people, by the people, for the people

I doubt if it ever really was true to the fullest extent ever. I do think that America did it better that most other counties on earth, but my view is that ‘Democracy’ as is generally practiced is a form of oligarchy, a sophisticated one at that, where common people have the illusion of choosing the laws and leaders they like. In a ‘democracy’ consent is manufactured (words borrowed from Noam Chomsky).

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

komali2 wrote: post #193
alex43578 wrote: post #192

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It is a core tenant for criminal trials, not the civil proceedings of immigration. Instead, lower standards, including probable cause for detainment, or a "preponderance of the evidence" standard for the immigration proceedings is sufficient. That is and has been the American standard. Legal immigrants to America for over a century accepted and complied with these legal processes, many of which were even more burdens…

Your understanding of American immigration law is incorrect, I'd like to correct you to perhaps help align your understanding of American history with the somewhat wrong-headed idea you have of American values. America didn't become "the melting pot" by having communist-style border checkpoints. For basically the entire first 80% of our history, the most the federal government would do in regards to immigration was w…

Arguing with a 23 day old account is a lost cause. It's a bot.

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Post by giardini »

itsanaccount wrote: post #197
giardini wrote: post #188

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>" Obama became the only 21st century president to win the poplar vote twice " Amazing! And who won the pine, elm, and oak vote? [it's "popular" not "poplar"; A poplar is a effing tree !)

An oak tree's vote adds more to our democracy than your comment does to this conversation.

itsanaccount says "An oak tree's vote adds more to our democracy than your comment does to this conversation."

Now you're calling for the trees to vote! Have you no shame, sir? I assure those reading not to panic: no unregistered trees shall be allowed to vote, even in California, as long as Donald Trump is President! Simultaneously we extend our grief to all of those in CA whose registered and unregistered trees were slaughtered by the recent fires in CA.

"I've seen thing you people wouldn't believe... forests on fire off the hills of Redmond.... I watched fire retardants glitter in the dark streaming in the skies over San Bernadino. All those votes will be lost in time, like tears in the rain...Time to go."

- parting words of homeless anarchist who started the blaze.

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Post by komali2 »

anonfordays wrote: post #198
komali2 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "deporting illegal aliens," they're throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers. The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," I'm not sure if you grew up in the same America as me or what but I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that office…

This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers," they're deporting illegal aliens. >The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," No they wouldn't have. The America I grew up in didn't have a political party that fetishized trafficking in the third-world into the US. That is "commie shit." >I'm pre…

> of the people, by the people, for the people

The People, historically, are immigrants. The facts back my argument.

15% of the population are immigrants since 1860.

Drops to 5% in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history, since in recent memory immigration was quite low (and thus begins the decline of American prosperity at the same time, interesting).

Increases back up to 15% in the late 2000's... right as we have historic increases in markers for prosperity (overlay the same chart against the stock market).

We are returning to the proper state of America, as the world's melting pot, and the most successful and prosperous nation on earth as a result.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm...

Re: Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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Post by anonfordays »

komali2 wrote: post #206
anonfordays wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers," they're deporting illegal aliens. >The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," No they wouldn't have. The America I grew up in didn't have a political party that fetishized trafficking in the third-world into the US. That is "commie shit." >I'm pre…

> of the people, by the people, for the people The People, historically, are immigrants. The facts back my argument. 15% of the population are immigrants since 1860. Drops to 5% in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history, since in recent memory immigration was quite low (and thus begins the decline of American prosperity at the same time, interesting). Increases b…

>The People, historically, are immigrants. The facts back my argument.

Legal immigrants, that became citizens, historically. The facts back my argument.

>Drops to 5% in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history

Drops of illegal immigration to 5% or less in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history.

>since in recent memory immigration was quite low (and thus begins the decline of American prosperity at the same time, interesting).

Delusional take. America's prosperity skyrocketed during that timeframe, much more so than the past decade and a half of high illegal immigration.

>Increases back up to 15% in the late 2000's... right as we have historic increases in markers for prosperity (overlay the same chart against the stock market).

Stock market growth != real GDP growth. This exposes your poor understanding of the economy and immigration as a whole. Not to mention the Great Recession.

>We are returning to the proper state of America, as the world's melting pot, and the most successful and prosperous nation on earth as a result.

Ironically yes. Deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries is the proper state. Democrats importing an underclass of less than legal humans is nothing new to the US.

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