Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011) • Hacker News Board

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by nitrogen » Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 11:19 AM UTC

jonhendry wrote: post #80

kbolino wrote: post #69

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If you're going to go to the trouble of making a fake cafe or bookshop, you might as well make the real thing. The point of the fake bus stop is that it's trivially easy to do.

More importantly, the bus stop attracts seniors who are trying to leave the facility, which is dangerous because they aren't able to do so safely, and are likely to end up lost and dying of exposure or exhaustion. A fake cafe or bookshop wouldn't really be any more useful than the cafeteria or day room that the facility probably already has.

Well, it could be useful to create a more comfortable atmosphere. This hypothetical assisted living center would be set up to look just like a small open air mall surrounded by apartments, except all the workers in all the shops are nurses.

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by benatkin » Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 4:48 PM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #95

benatkin wrote: post #81

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The /By is also unnecessary. This certainly makes it easier to submit a story to HN multiple times.

It's not too difficult to trick a filter on any page. I assume you can append a garbage query string for the same effect.

Hmm, I guess the difference here is that the few people who will pick up on garbage query strings would likely miss an altered path, if it was made carefully.

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by WickyNilliams » Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 2:08 AM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #96

WickyNilliams wrote: post #61

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We all know how big corp is going to be spending billions on this to manipulate us all That's more than a little hyperbolic. No matter how much money someone spends, while I'm sane I will not (cannot?) be manipulated to stand next to a fake bus stop. Back on topic, my girlfriend works at a nursing home and she has often spoke to me about the residents being eager to go home, and just as in the article the residents o…

"No matter how much money someone spends, while I'm sane I will not (cannot?) be manipulated to stand next to a fake bus stop." I'm sure this doesn't apply to you specifically (nor anyone in the HN crowd), but your statement really made me think of this article. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/video-man-pranks-times-s... But to add some substance to this comment, let me add something. Be it marketing drivel or ju…

You raise a good point about advertising, we are constantly bombarded with attempts to manipulate and coerce into specific ways of thinking. Even those who acknowledge this are likely still being manipulated, though more subtly.

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by kbolino » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 11:11 AM UTC

kbolino wrote: post #69

epo wrote: post #49

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Oh for God's sake! These are OLD people, they remember public transport (which also still exists in Europe). A fake cafe, a fake second hand bookshop, anything that will make them pause and get less agitated.

If you're going to go to the trouble of making a fake cafe or bookshop, you might as well make the real thing. The point of the fake bus stop is that it's trivially easy to do.

Just to comment on myself: I may have misunderstood the meaning of the word "fake" in this context. A "fake cafe" could still serve coffee, just not to the public at large.

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by christoc » Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 3:47 PM UTC

crazypyro wrote: post #68

kitsune_ wrote: post #66

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They use DotNetNuke, a god awful CMS running on ASP.NET WebForms. Together with Umbraco, it's the most popular open source CMS in the Microsoft world. It's really sad. You can access the page (internally called a "tab") by its "TabId", for instance: http://www.theiacp.org/tabid/1007/Default.aspx?id=1665 or, just by using query string parameters: http://www.theiacp.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1007&id=1665 DotNetNuke uses a…

Oh god, I hate DNN. I had to use it for my fraternity's site when I was redoing it because one of the alumni is the director of training for it. The sad part is he would never respond or help. That thing was such a pain to use. Trying to actually get into the nuts and bolts (css, html, js, ect.) of any of the pages was horrible.

I'm sorry you had a difficult time reaching me and working with DotNetNuke. Anyone else having trouble trying to learn/use DNN, feel free to email me at chris.hammond@dnncorp.com or call me at 650-288-3153

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by christoc » Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 3:49 PM UTC

kitsune_ wrote: post #66

pork wrote: post #11

OT, but that is one hell of a hierarchical URL

They use DotNetNuke, a god awful CMS running on ASP.NET WebForms. Together with Umbraco, it's the most popular open source CMS in the Microsoft world. It's really sad. You can access the page (internally called a "tab") by its "TabId", for instance: http://www.theiacp.org/tabid/1007/Default.aspx?id=1665 or, just by using query string parameters: http://www.theiacp.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1007&id=1665 DotNetNuke uses a…

There are a number of ways to utilize URLs in DotNetNuke, the IACP website is definitely not what I would consider a best practice for their use.

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by christoc » Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 3:51 PM UTC

thinkingisfun wrote: post #46

ejain wrote: post #22

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http://www.theiacp.org/tabid/1007/Default.aspx?id=1665 appears to point to the same page, so the long URL might just be SEO.

Well, one the one hand you get a lot of words in the URL nobody will ever search for, especially not concatenated as they are -- on the other hand that page looks to be 9 levels deep from the domain root. I doubt there is an actually good reason, it's just a crappy CMS.

Rather this is a result of this particular USAGE of the CMS, not the CMS itself.

Re: Fake Bus Stops For Alzheimer’s patients in Germany (2011)

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Post by kragen » Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 5:36 PM UTC

The broader question is: when is it ethical to deceive people for their own good? Only when they are suffering from severe dementia?

I deceived a psychotic person into taking an antipsychotic drug once, and I think it was probably the best thing I could have done, and at the same time, one of the worst things I've ever done.