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Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by _pferreir_ »

veidr wrote: post #223
ojiikun wrote: post #132

You know those 45% of HN readers that use a Mac? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4422121 Time to start voting with your $$ against AAPL. They are part of the problem, not part of the innovation.

I try to do this, just because I viscerally dislike Apple specifically and the increasing hegemony of corporations over individuals in general, but it is really hard to stick with because Apple simply makes the best fucking products. I bought a Galaxy Nexus, and it's a lot better than previous Android phones, but it just sucks too much to rely on so I carry two phones. I bought a Nexus 7, which I actually like more t…

What's wrong about the Galaxy Nexus?

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Post by bas »

forensic wrote: post #291
chairsofter wrote: post #189

What a joke! The jury rushed through this so quickly and uncaringly that there are glaring errors in their verdict. Look at the edit at the bottom of the article: http://briefmobile.com/jury-comes-to-verdict-in-apple-vs-sam...

welcome to the legal system. every verdict is rife with errors, committed by judges, lawyers, juries, police, everyone

Is your code bug-free? Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Post by Apocryphon »

cageface wrote: post #244
ellyagg wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from the specifics of this or any other court case involving Apple attacking Samsung, I find the desire to defend Samsung odd. Obviously they copied Apple as much as they felt they could get away with. They did this because it was a very conservative way to make a lot of money. This isn't an admirable strategy. It's annoying. It's precisely the strategy that major movie studios use to give us one boring, risk-f…

I don't have any particular loyalty to Samsung but these cases set a chilling precedent for the platform that looks likely to dominate the computing industry for at least the next decade. There's much more at stake here than a few billion dollars and a few icons and scrolling techniques. If this continues we're going to spend the next decade tiptoeing around every trivial implementation detail of mobile UI instead of…

"If this continues we're going to spend the next decade tiptoeing around every trivial implementation detail of mobile UI instead of boldly exploring new ideas."

But wouldn't this then spark greater innovation? Innovation doesn't come from slavishly imitating what came before. Revolutionary new designs and UI will come from those bold enough to seek vision that has no chance of infringing upon previous patents.

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Post by bluedanieru »

Apocryphon wrote: post #323
cageface wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any particular loyalty to Samsung but these cases set a chilling precedent for the platform that looks likely to dominate the computing industry for at least the next decade. There's much more at stake here than a few billion dollars and a few icons and scrolling techniques. If this continues we're going to spend the next decade tiptoeing around every trivial implementation detail of mobile UI instead of…

"If this continues we're going to spend the next decade tiptoeing around every trivial implementation detail of mobile UI instead of boldly exploring new ideas." But wouldn't this then spark greater innovation? Innovation doesn't come from slavishly imitating what came before. Revolutionary new designs and UI will come from those bold enough to seek vision that has no chance of infringing upon previous patents.

No, it won't. It will hurt innovation because every damn thing is going to have to go through a committee of lawyers before being approved, and it will hurt innovation because the idea that innovation always involves making something brand-new and from whole cloth is fucking retarded.

Also the idea of a patent for pinch-and-zoom makes about as much sense as a patent for 'a vehicle powered by steam'. Patents are about implementation, not ideas.

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Post by justincormack »

kamechan wrote: post #274
benihana wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've refused to compete with Android on price, features, and form factors and the market has punished them for it. In what universe did the market punish them? Apple has shipped 250 million phones and made 150 billion dollars in revenue in the five years since the iPhone shipped[1]. Each iPhone version has sold more than every other version combined [2]. [1] http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/27/strategy-analytics-ap…

In the global market where android now has 60 something percent market share and iPhones have 18.

But Apple make more profit. Thats how they decided to compete, not for market share.

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Post by lovamova »

lovamova wrote: post #106
sriramk wrote: post #74

The big winner, apart from Apple, is Microsoft. If you're a hardware manufacturer, your choices are 1. You go with Android and have both Apple and Microsoft come after you. 2. You go with Windows Phone. I suspect the Windows Phone team is breaking open some champagne now.

Apple stock is down. Microsoft stock is up. Guess who's the winner.

It is going down to me. http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL

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Post by godbolev »

justincormack wrote: post #325
kamechan wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the global market where android now has 60 something percent market share and iPhones have 18.

But Apple make more profit. Thats how they decided to compete, not for market share.

Sorry if I'm derailing the conversation, but is Google trying to capture the market share with the Android or is it trying to make a profit?

What is Google's goal with the Android? Ads? An extension to search?

Again, sorry if I've derailed the discussion. I'm just curious to see what HN thinks.

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Post by eftpotrm »

justincormack wrote: post #325
kamechan wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the global market where android now has 60 something percent market share and iPhones have 18.

But Apple make more profit. Thats how they decided to compete, not for market share.

And how's that profit sustainable?

They currently have near-monopoloy perceived first-mover prices and margins as 'the only credible device' (iPad) and 'the coolest device' (iPhone). They have the perception as being 'the only system with the good apps' (iPad) - noticeably they don't have that any more with the iPhone. Realistically, how long can they keep it with the iPad and, once lost, what means do they have of getting it back? And what's Apple's plan to maintain its current market advantages of consistency once the mobile market moves from high-end luxury to commodity that needs a tiered product range?

How many new Android devices come out per year, even just from the major top-tier devices? How many from Apple? To sustain the current position, Apple have to win and be lucky every time. Android can afford below a 10% hit rate and it'll still innovate faster and grow more strongly as a platform than iOS.

Apple now are in much the same position as they were the first time they lost Steve Jobs. Their five year outlook is, IMHO, grim - their profits come overwhelmingly from iOS but it's under heavy attack and has no obvious strategy to grow their base without cutting off what made them a success.

Apple are (medium-term) on the crest of a wave. Their long-term outlook is only down IMHO, and this time they can't bring Steve back.

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Post by josteink »

Today Apple went down in history as the biggest patent-troll of all time, stiffling innovation and competition like nobody has ever done before.

If you are a software-developer you should recognize the fundamental threat which Apple represents to your profession.

Boycott Apple if you want to be able to stay in business in the long term future. Throw away your Macbooks, iPhones and iPads. Ditch your iTunes and iTunes account. Get rid of everything Apple. All of it.

Be vocal about your code of ethical software conduct and how that prohibits involving anything made by Apple into anything you ever do.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by josteink »

Steko wrote: post #98

This is a good result. Samsung copies for a living like many companies. Much of the copying is legal. Sometimes they push it too far. One smoking gun in this case was the Google told Samsung to change their designs. They didn't. They reaped the benefits in terms of higher sales and now they can reap the bad side of that too. On net it has still been profitable from Samsung. Samsung lost but it hasn't been shut down o…

This will be chilling for innovation and competition and will only encourage Apple to take their paten-trolling further, to illegitimately gain bigger market-shares in the smartphone market (where international figures shows they are now in a dive).

This is not a good result. It may not have been as bad as it could have been, but it's still nowhere near good.

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