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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by ben_w »

ALLTaken wrote: post #61
edm0nd wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally the NSA has all Meta and WhatsApp servers directly tapped and can just harvest data, oops i mean 'meta data', that way. Then just pass that info to Israel when their internal systems get an alert on good intel.

Wow that is next level WORD SMITHERY!! Zuck dribbled and 3D Chessed the Law META DATA. Literally they did say truthfully they "only" read all the Meta Data, which is actually all data of the company Meta.

> Zuck dribbled and 3D Chessed the Law

Mixed metaphors aside, you can't cheat the law by naming yourself something.

Well, you can try, but the courts take a dim view of it.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by have-a-break »

edm0nd wrote: post #37
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need meta's cooperation for this, they can burn one of their 0-click 0-day exploits and target everyone they need to.

Additionally the NSA has all Meta and WhatsApp servers directly tapped and can just harvest data, oops i mean 'meta data', that way. Then just pass that info to Israel when their internal systems get an alert on good intel.

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by [deleted] »

noworriesnate wrote: post #32
msgodel wrote: post #13

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Why are we toppling all these foreign governments and creating instability that breads terrorism in places that otherwise have nothing to do with us? This seems so exceptionally counter productive.

Because 1) America won’t allow nations near Israel to be successful, it’s too much of a threat to our greatest ally and 2) war is incredibly profitable.

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by cosmicgadget »

rdrd wrote: post #7

I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

"We" don't but these other guys with logins do.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by swat535 »

MoonGhost wrote: post #72
hexomancer wrote: post #54

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I have no idea but I sure hope so.

Will this result in bloody civil war like in Iraq and minimal dysfunctional central government after?

I’m another Iranian but I’m not actively living in Iran.

I agree with others here that regime really needs to go but I of course share your fear of what could happen to Iran once the central government is weakened. Currently there are multiple tiers of special forces keeepinf various groups in check, however once this is gone, things could get ugly.

I worry about my family living there, we have been having a hard time time reaching there since the attacks started and there is no way of telling what is going to happen next.

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Post by baybal2 »

yuvalr1 wrote: post #49
yuvalr1 wrote: post #44

I'm surprised reading that the Iranian's regime concerns are centered on WhatsApp sharing information with Israel. It is much more likely that WhatsApp have 0-day vulnerabilities used by the Mossad to gain the info than WhatsApp actively sharing it.

> Iran banned WhatsApp and Google Play in 2022 during mass protests against the government So more than fearing Israel, they actually fear the public that has an encrypted communication channel that can't be tapped by their police. Explains a lot.

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by [deleted] »

hexomancer wrote: post #46
bravoetch wrote: post #10

Anyone in Iran that can comment on this? What are citizens there thinking about WhatsApp?

Iranian here. Most Iranians use Telegram or Whatsapp, both of which are blocked right now and can only be used using VPNs (they have been blocked for years, though whatsapp was unblocked a few months ago, but it is blocked again after the Israel attack). I don't think many Iranians believe, or care about what the regime says, though there is a small minority of regime supporters that might, but they probably were not…

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by [deleted] »

tguvot wrote: post #81
hexomancer wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea but I sure hope so.

in discussion next door (got flagged) people are claiming that Iran is peace seeking nation that has amazing relationship with it's neighbors and that it amazingly geopolitically positioned and that USA should team up with current Iranian regime and dump Israel. What's your take on it ?

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by EGreg »

perihelions wrote: post #100
Saris wrote: post #9

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If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.

They usually just do a mea culpa:

Camera: https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/facebo...

Audio: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424016

Conversations: https://www.vice.com/en/article/facebook-said-it-wasnt-liste...

Mass surveillance: https://thehill.com/video/facebook-spying-on-users-new-repor...

Across the web: https://www.wired.com/story/ways-facebook-tracks-you-limit-i...

Beacon: https://www.wired.com/2007/12/facebook-ceo-apologizes-lets-u...

Apps: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analy...

People who aren't even on facebook: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17254312/facebook-shadow-profi...

Others do it too, e.g. Amazon: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone...

But Facebook has always been on a whole other level

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-...

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by bartekpacia »

anticodon wrote: post #56
yuvalr1 wrote: post #44

I'm surprised reading that the Iranian's regime concerns are centered on WhatsApp sharing information with Israel. It is much more likely that WhatsApp have 0-day vulnerabilities used by the Mossad to gain the info than WhatsApp actively sharing it.

Russian soldiers participating in SMO reported multiple times that after they exchange texts and photos with their relatives in WhatsApp, that information ends up in Ukrainian military HQs next day. With photos. And later used, for example, to harass the relatives of the soldier. Could be some other mechanism (e.g. Google Drive or some other kind of malware), hard to be sure in the world, where since 2011 Snowden's r…

> Russian soldiers participating in SMO

Russian soldiers participating in the invasion of Ukraine. FTFY.

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