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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by ALLTaken »

edm0nd wrote: post #37
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need meta's cooperation for this, they can burn one of their 0-click 0-day exploits and target everyone they need to.

Additionally the NSA has all Meta and WhatsApp servers directly tapped and can just harvest data, oops i mean 'meta data', that way. Then just pass that info to Israel when their internal systems get an alert on good intel.

Wow that is next level WORD SMITHERY!!

Zuck dribbled and 3D Chessed the Law

META DATA. Literally they did say truthfully they "only" read all the Meta Data, which is actually all data of the company Meta.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by flyinglizard »

twodave wrote: post #39

WhatsApp is already banned in Iran. It's difficult to see this as anything but another attempt by them to gain control over private communications involving their own people. To me, the most interesting thing about this conflict is the side-choosing of the other nations, because that reveals what kind of games they're playing.

> the most interesting thing about this conflict is the side-choosing of the other nations

Could you elaborate on that? Is anyone behaving out of the totally expected?

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by reillyse »

gspencley wrote: post #41
msgodel wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we toppling all these foreign governments and creating instability that breads terrorism in places that otherwise have nothing to do with us? This seems so exceptionally counter productive.

> Why are we toppling all these foreign governments I don't want to speak to the other foreign governments, and I think there is a LOT of room for healthy criticism of how the USA handles its foreign policy, past & present. But to answer the question directly with respects to Iran, specifically: the leadership has been repeatedly chanting "Death To America" for its 45 year history and have been actively trying to dev…

The USA created the current Iranian regime by installing a puppet and then getting butt hurt when their puppet was ousted. A real freedom for us tyranny for you situation.

Then the USA created the Saddam regime in Iraq to fight the Iranian regime and that went great.

And now the USA is supporting Israel to terrorize the Middle East in their name and with their bombs and that’s going swimmingly too. Top job everyone.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by mgraczyk »

Saris wrote: post #9
rdrd wrote: post #7

I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

And they are legally required to do this in most places

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by toast0 »

msgodel wrote: post #13
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government It wouldn't be a cake walk. But America could topple the government in Tehran about as easily as it did in Baghdad or, frankly, Kabul. The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't a failure to decapitate the opposing state. It was in filling the vacuum that left.

Why are we toppling all these foreign governments and creating instability that breads terrorism in places that otherwise have nothing to do with us? This seems so exceptionally counter productive.

A stable Iran seems to be doing a pretty good job of breeding terrorism, too though.

If we're being extremely generous, the goal of regime change would be to bring a new stability with economic prosperity and inclusion as well as more meaningful political inclusion, so as to reduce the amount of marginalized population with nothing to loose that are easy to recruit for terrorism.

Of course, when the nation building fails or is never even tried, it's pretty easy for recruiters to say "look around, they destroyed our country (with bombs or embargoes or tariffs or resource exploitation or offensive media), we have nothing to live for, and it's their fault; let's make them pay"

I don't think you can stop all terrorism, but if you want to put a dent in it, you need to give the broad population hope for prosperity, and you need to fulfill that hope on the regular.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by lowwave »

edm0nd wrote: post #37
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need meta's cooperation for this, they can burn one of their 0-click 0-day exploits and target everyone they need to.

Additionally the NSA has all Meta and WhatsApp servers directly tapped and can just harvest data, oops i mean 'meta data', that way. Then just pass that info to Israel when their internal systems get an alert on good intel.

> Then just pass that info to Israel when their internal systems get an alert on good intel.

And on top of that if you want make any money with company like X, you need to send your biometrics to some company in Israel. What is this Israel and surveillance capitalism? Or has this always being the case, and I am just now start to realizing it.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by mkoubaa »

Lordarminius wrote: post #4

All the major social media and messaging platforms are compromised and serve as tools for surveillance, so the Iranian government isn't wrong.

Not wrong, but Meta in particular is uniquely compliant to the wishes of state actors.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by throw737484848 »

yuvalr1 wrote: post #49
yuvalr1 wrote: post #44

I'm surprised reading that the Iranian's regime concerns are centered on WhatsApp sharing information with Israel. It is much more likely that WhatsApp have 0-day vulnerabilities used by the Mossad to gain the info than WhatsApp actively sharing it.

> Iran banned WhatsApp and Google Play in 2022 during mass protests against the government So more than fearing Israel, they actually fear the public that has an encrypted communication channel that can't be tapped by their police. Explains a lot.

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by msgodel »

reillyse wrote: post #63
gspencley wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are we toppling all these foreign governments I don't want to speak to the other foreign governments, and I think there is a LOT of room for healthy criticism of how the USA handles its foreign policy, past & present. But to answer the question directly with respects to Iran, specifically: the leadership has been repeatedly chanting "Death To America" for its 45 year history and have been actively trying to dev…

The USA created the current Iranian regime by installing a puppet and then getting butt hurt when their puppet was ousted. A real freedom for us tyranny for you situation. Then the USA created the Saddam regime in Iraq to fight the Iranian regime and that went great. And now the USA is supporting Israel to terrorize the Middle East in their name and with their bombs and that’s going swimmingly too. Top job everyone.

It seems like an infinite pit we throw money and lives into only to make things worse.
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