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Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by enraged_camel »

nikic wrote: post #58
shawnee_ wrote: post #53

If Lucy Koh is so intent on protecting the singularity of one corporate interest over what is so obviously good for the general public, she should not be a Federal District Judge. She should still be in private practice. We need Federal District Judges who are willing to work for the good of consumers, which involves protecting a market where competition can thrive. Consumers benefit when there is more than one separ…

I don't think that this is the judges fault. The law (at least to some degree) dictates the decision. If that decision is not good for the general public, then it is the law that needs change. (And we all agree that it does.)

Exactly. The sad thing is that many people will ignorantly blame the judge for this decision. Whereas the fact of the matter is that she simply presided over the trial.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

lubos wrote: post #4

I was shocked to learn this case is basically being decided by people who have no idea what they are really deciding on. Here is the jury according to techcrunch 1. An electrical engineer 2. A homemaker 3. A construction worker 4. A young unemployed man who likes video games 5. An insurance agent 6. An ex-Navy avionics technician 7. A store operations manager for a cycling retailer 8. A project manager for wireless c…

We’re not attorneys or judges either, yet we all have an opinion on the law.

“Only in America”

Far from it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_system#The_jury_trial_in_v...

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by taligent »

gsibble wrote: post #44
barista wrote: post #5

It feels good when the judgments reflect what is a common sense to a reasonable person. Glad the common sense prevailed here. It was obvious that the android devices were copied from iPhones.

I think that's what's so frustrating to me as an engineer. Samsung's technology patents were clearly violated, but did not win in court. Why? Perhaps because they aren't common sense. They are complex and intricate. THAT is what patents should be about. Not common sense.

I take it you couldn't be bothered to understand the case.

Samsung lost its counterclaims due to patent exhaustion which common sense suggests they deserved to lose. You can thank Intel for siding with Apple on this one.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by sriramk »

The big winner, apart from Apple, is Microsoft. If you're a hardware manufacturer, your choices are

1. You go with Android and have both Apple and Microsoft come after you.

2. You go with Windows Phone.

I suspect the Windows Phone team is breaking open some champagne now.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by jolohaga »

barista wrote: post #5

It feels good when the judgments reflect what is a common sense to a reasonable person. Glad the common sense prevailed here. It was obvious that the android devices were copied from iPhones.

Glad to read a different opinion, albeit a minority one.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by shreyansj »

lawdawg wrote: post #48
programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

and all those phones have pinch to zoom. Just because Microsoft and Apple are colluding to avoid suing each other doesn't mean that an OS like WP is somehow the solution.

Licensing patents is not called collusion.

Edit: Source http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/apple-licensed-de...

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Post by Moto7451 »

slantyyz wrote: post #23
lubos wrote: post #4

I was shocked to learn this case is basically being decided by people who have no idea what they are really deciding on. Here is the jury according to techcrunch 1. An electrical engineer 2. A homemaker 3. A construction worker 4. A young unemployed man who likes video games 5. An insurance agent 6. An ex-Navy avionics technician 7. A store operations manager for a cycling retailer 8. A project manager for wireless c…

>> people who have no idea what they are really deciding on I thought the lawyers, judge and witnesses provide all the information they need to make the decision. >> And how many of those people are biased because they just love Steve Jobs I would think that Samsung's lawyers would have disqualified those types of people during the selection process.

Indeed, and early on an Apple employee disqualified himself.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/apple-v-samsung-j...

Another potential juror, a UI designer on the Android team was rejected by Apple.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by taligent »

Symmetry wrote: post #66
shawnee_ wrote: post #53

If Lucy Koh is so intent on protecting the singularity of one corporate interest over what is so obviously good for the general public, she should not be a Federal District Judge. She should still be in private practice. We need Federal District Judges who are willing to work for the good of consumers, which involves protecting a market where competition can thrive. Consumers benefit when there is more than one separ…

Better than that, I think, would be legislators looking out for the good of consumers and judges interpreting the law impartially.

How did Koh not interpret the law impartially ?

The fact is that the Samsung lawyers failed to convince an independent jury of the general public. Koh had very little to do with it.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by [deleted] »

taligent wrote: post #60
shawnee_ wrote: post #53

If Lucy Koh is so intent on protecting the singularity of one corporate interest over what is so obviously good for the general public, she should not be a Federal District Judge. She should still be in private practice. We need Federal District Judges who are willing to work for the good of consumers, which involves protecting a market where competition can thrive. Consumers benefit when there is more than one separ…

Looking forward to plenty of truly dumb, ignorant comments like this in the future. You do know that a jury made this decision, right ?

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