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David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by t0bia_s »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #177
t0bia_s wrote: post #119

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I like fishes. Fishes are healthy and main source of Omega-3 fatty acid for many. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid Be aware of pharma propaganda that for sure support any narrations that would make benefit for them, like making any kind of natural sources good for humans as threat, like sunshine or.. Fishes?

Catching your own fish, and eating that, is fine. Even if everyone who could do that, caught the fish they intended to eat, the oceans would be fine. It's the massive industrial trawlers that scoop up entire ecosystems that we need to stop.

Are you able to build your home? Or smartphone as well?

Companies usually offer products that are much cheaper to make than individuals would make individually. Which mean lower source consumption.

True question is balance between quality and quantity. But economically it is broken when fiat money does not store value and governments decided to make own citizens to live on debts.

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Post by baobun »

abrookewood wrote: post #174
closewith wrote: post #118

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> I can't believe that anyone would willingly cause that much destruction. I interact with fishermen as part of a marine SAR role and there's a significant subset who treat the sea with contempt. Not usual to see them dump rubbish overboard in littoral areas, flicking cigarettes butts into the sea, etc.

Such weird behaviour considering it is the source of their livelihood.

Speculating: Perhaps for some they start being aware of horrible inherent aspects of their work/industry (such as in the movie or otherwise).

It becomes self-defence to emotionally detach and distance from the whole ocean at some point. With that, it can be easy to relativize and individuals cigarette butts.

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Post by borski »

nagaiaida wrote: post #180
borski wrote: post #167

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> They didn't get rich by creating value. They might have created value… Odd to contradict yourself with only a period separating the contradictory statements. > I would also argue that they don't create the value themselves, but their workers do. Sure, that’s fair - but those workers also have jobs and salaries because of risk the founders took to de-risk the company before the employees joined. The level of risk re…

why pretend to have found a contradiction when a stronger reading of the comment is clearly that it meant to highlight the distinction between the creation of that value and its consolidation primarily into an individual's personal wealth?

Because it is paradoxical on its face. Many people like to argue that founders (or rich people, or billionaires, or whatever) don’t create real value, but simultaneously discount all the jobs they created and products they produced, because it is convenient to do so when it fits your narrative.

Yes, I’m all for co-op structures, but there is a big difference between “created no value” and “created lots of value but kept the majority of profits for themselves.”

If they’ve created 1000 jobs; is that value? Surely to those 1000 employed people, it is.

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Post by gf000 »

somenameforme wrote: post #105
gf000 wrote: post #84

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Well, maybe search for the keyword "long COVID" and see how it has caused a lot of suffering even among young and otherwise healthy individuals. Also, people seem to forget that exponentials go up very fast, so an "average person of average health" would be very selfish to not make the necessary precautions to limit the spread of the virus as much as feasible.

You vaccinate yourself to protect yourself. People who are vaccinated for a disease can and do spread said disease. It's this way for literally everything. The claims that you cannot spread COVID if you're vaccinated were simply false. Vaccination can have a mitigating effect of course, but we were never going to be able to eliminate COVID with something like herd immunity. The only virus completely eliminated by vac…

But it's quite trivial to see that vaccination will heavily decrease the possibility of transmission - it's like continuously coughing up millions upon millions of viruses vs only re-transmitting a few.

And you are right that in the long term Covid will probably become just like the regular flu, as it mutates to more infectious, but less and less dangerous - but I don't see how it's relevant. At the height of the pandemic not the weakened strains were at play, and you surely know that a^n will either very quickly die out, or very quickly explode depending on the given 'a' - masks, vaccination, and staying home absolutely helped decreasing the possible reach of the disease.

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Post by somenameforme »

gf000 wrote: post #184
somenameforme wrote: post #105

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You vaccinate yourself to protect yourself. People who are vaccinated for a disease can and do spread said disease. It's this way for literally everything. The claims that you cannot spread COVID if you're vaccinated were simply false. Vaccination can have a mitigating effect of course, but we were never going to be able to eliminate COVID with something like herd immunity. The only virus completely eliminated by vac…

But it's quite trivial to see that vaccination will heavily decrease the possibility of transmission - it's like continuously coughing up millions upon millions of viruses vs only re-transmitting a few. And you are right that in the long term Covid will probably become just like the regular flu, as it mutates to more infectious, but less and less dangerous - but I don't see how it's relevant. At the height of the pan…

I don't see how you can say these things absolutely helped when at this point in time I wouldn't ask you if you've ever caught COVID, but rather how many times have you caught it. It doesn't matter how many shots you've injected, how many masks you've worn, or whatever else - you've almost certainly gotten COVID, and probably multiple times. Even Antarctica managed to end up with multiple outbreaks.

And furthermore, if you look at a graph of the typical cycle of a flu-like epidemic they all look extremely similar, including the COVID graphs. For instance here [1] is one for the Spanish Flu. Scroll down a bit here [2] to see the US death graph for COVID. It's essentially identical. With COVID there was a narrative attached to each of the waves, but in reality it was a lot like financial analysts. They can explain everything when they know the results, down to why the market moved 0.7% yesterday. But their analysis of what will happen to the markets tomorrow is somehow no better than you'd get from a palm reader.

[1] - https://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/04/30/health/0430-nat-1...

[2] - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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Post by gf000 »

somenameforme wrote: post #185
gf000 wrote: post #184

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But it's quite trivial to see that vaccination will heavily decrease the possibility of transmission - it's like continuously coughing up millions upon millions of viruses vs only re-transmitting a few. And you are right that in the long term Covid will probably become just like the regular flu, as it mutates to more infectious, but less and less dangerous - but I don't see how it's relevant. At the height of the pan…

I don't see how you can say these things absolutely helped when at this point in time I wouldn't ask you if you've ever caught COVID, but rather how many times have you caught it. It doesn't matter how many shots you've injected, how many masks you've worn, or whatever else - you've almost certainly gotten COVID, and probably multiple times. Even Antarctica managed to end up with multiple outbreaks. And furthermore,…

How do you explain then the differences between countries? Of course, different measurements/demographics aside.

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Post by somenameforme »

gf000 wrote: post #186
somenameforme wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how you can say these things absolutely helped when at this point in time I wouldn't ask you if you've ever caught COVID, but rather how many times have you caught it. It doesn't matter how many shots you've injected, how many masks you've worn, or whatever else - you've almost certainly gotten COVID, and probably multiple times. Even Antarctica managed to end up with multiple outbreaks. And furthermore,…

How do you explain then the differences between countries? Of course, different measurements/demographics aside.

There's a nice visual here [1] that shows excess mortality instead of relying on COVID numbers. This helps control for different standards in measurement/demographics, to some degree. After all was said and done the difference between countries was pretty small. The US had a relatively poor outcome for COVID and ended up with excess deaths of 434 per 100k. Australia had one of the best (amongst advanced economies), and ended up with 163. There were large relative differences, but the absolute differences were small - those values are (per 100k) 99.72% the same.

And behaviors were not really predictive of outcomes. Gibraltar, for instance, was the first 'country' (they put the micro in micronation) to achieve complete vaccination coverage. The media ran tons of stories on them being a window into a post-COVID future because cases there plummeted. Then the next COVID wave hit and cases skyrocketed there, just like everywhere else. After all was said and done they ended up closer to the US than Australia with excess mortality of 300.

[1] - https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

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