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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by Aurornis »

imperialdrive wrote: post #3

Finally gave Claude a go after trying OpenAI a while and feeling pretty _meh_ about the coding ability... Wow, it's a whole other level or two ahead, at least for my daily flavor which is PowerShell. No way a double-digit amount of jobs aren't at stake. This stuff feels like it is really starting to take off. Incredible time to be in tech, but you gotta be clever and work hard every day to stay on the ride. Many folk…

> Finally gave Claude a go after trying OpenAI a while and feeling pretty _meh_ about the coding ability... Wow, it's a whole other level or two ahead,

I’ve been avoiding LLM-coding conversations on popular websites because so many people tried it a little bit 3-6 months ago, spot something that doesn’t work right, and then write it off completely.

Everyone who uses LLM tools knows they’re not perfect, they hallucinate some times, their solutions will be laughably bad to some problems, and all the other things that come with LLMs.

The difference is some people learn the limits and how to apply them effectively in their development loop. Other people go in looking for the first couple failures and then declare victory over the LLM.

There are also a lot of people frustrated with coworkers using LLMs to produce and submit junk, or angry about the vibe coding glorification they see on LinkedIn, or just feel that their careers are threatened. Taking the contrarian position that LLMs are entirely useless provides some comfort.

Then in the middle, there are those of us who realize their limits and use them to help here and there, but are neither vibe coding nor going full anti-LLM. I suspect that’s where most people will end up, but until then the public conversations on LLMs are rife with people either projecting doomsday scenarios or claiming LLMs are useless hype.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by candiddevmike »

uhhhhhhh wrote: post #52
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Companies are actively not hiring expecting AI to compensate and still have growth. I have seen these same companies giving smaller raises and less promotions, and eliminate junior positions. The endgame isn't more employees or paying them more. It's paying less people or no skilled people when possible. That's a fairly massive disruption.

All that I've seen with AI in the workplace is my coworkers becoming dumber. Asking them technical questions they should know the answer to has turned into "let me LLM that for you" and giving me an overly broad response. It's infuriating. I've also hilariously seen this in meetings, where folks are being asked something and awkwardly fill time while they wait for a response which they try and not read word for word.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by bluefirebrand »

lazystar wrote: post #59
cybrjoe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i rewrote a code base that i’ve been tinkering on for the last 2 years or so this weekend. a complete replatform, new tech stack, ui, infra, the whole nine yards. the rewrite took exactly 3 days, referenced the old code base, online documentation, github issues all without (mostly) ever leaving claude. it completely blew my mind. i wrote maybe 10 lines of code manually. it’s going to eliminate jobs.

> it’s going to eliminate jobs. that's the part i'm not sold on yet. it's a tool that allows you to do a year's work in a week - but every dev in every company will be able to use that tool, thus it will increase the productivity of each engineer by an equal amount. that means each company's products will get much better much faster - and it means that any company that cuts head count will be at risk of falling behin…

> it's a tool that allows you to do a year's work in a week

Exaggerations like this really don't help your credibility

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by hollowturtle »

solumunus wrote: post #18
WXLCKNO wrote: post #8

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I've been trying every flavor of AI powered development and after trying Claude Code for two days with an API key, I upgraded to the full Max 20x plan. Cursor, Windsurf, Roo Code / Cline, they're fine but nothing feels as thorough and useful to me as Claude Code. The Codex CLI from OpenAI is not bad either, there's just something satisfying about the LLM straight up using the CLI

It really is night and day. Most of them feel like cool toys, Claude Code is a genuine work horse. It immediately became completely integral to my workflow. I own a small business and I can say with absolute confidence this will reduce the amount of devs I need to hire going forward.

I don't get claims like that, if AI let me do more and be more productive with less people I could also grow and scale more, that means that I can also hire more and again multiply growth because each dev will bring more and more... I'm skeptic because I don't see it happening, actually the contrary more people doing more things maybe, but the not 10x nor 100x otherwise we would see products built in 5 years coming out in literally 15 days

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by jstummbillig »

kbos87 wrote: post #49
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI? I am already massively more productive at work using AI. I'm not getting paid more, and I'm not working fewer hours. The road we are headed down is one where all of the economic benefits go straight to the owning class.

Owning what? Your employer (likely) owns little of value in a world of cheap AI software generation. Open Source models are already the thing that you can use to code with, and will obviously get better. We have to believe some really weird stuff for this vision to be coherent, for example a nvidia-everything-world, where they are not only the sole provider of hardware but also control access to all relevant models, and all software products that any (non-tech) business needs to use AI.

If by "owning class" you actually mean "all people with agency" then, yeah, I agree.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by neilfrndes »

imperialdrive wrote: post #3

Finally gave Claude a go after trying OpenAI a while and feeling pretty _meh_ about the coding ability... Wow, it's a whole other level or two ahead, at least for my daily flavor which is PowerShell. No way a double-digit amount of jobs aren't at stake. This stuff feels like it is really starting to take off. Incredible time to be in tech, but you gotta be clever and work hard every day to stay on the ride. Many folk…

Yup, Claude Code is the real deal. It's a massive force multiplier for me. I run a small SaaS startup. I've gotten more done in the last month than the previous 3 months or more combined. Not just code, but also emails, proposals, planning, legal etc. I feel like working in slo-mo when Claude is down (which unfortunately happens every couple of days). I believe that tools like Claude code will help smaller companies disproportionately.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by orangecat »

KerrAvon wrote: post #23
levocardia wrote: post #14

Nvidia is also very mad about Anthropic's advocacy for chip export controls, which is not mentioned in this article. Dario has an entire blog post explaining why preventing China from getting Nvidia's top of the line chips is a critical national security issue, and Jensen is, at least by his public statements, furious about the export controls. As it currently stands, Anthropic is winning in terms of what the actual…

Jensen is right, though. If we force China to develop their own technology they’ll do that! We don’t have a monopoly on talent or resources. The US can have a stake at the table or nothing at all. The time when we, the US, could do protectionism without shooting ourselves in the foot is well and truly over. The most we can do is inconvenience China in the short term.

The most we can do is inconvenience China in the short term.

If scaling holds up enough to make AGI possible in the next 5-10 years, slowing down China by even a few years is extremely valuable.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by zozbot234 »

sampullman wrote: post #82
zozbot234 wrote: post #32

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> undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) This is not an AI thing, plenty of "mid-level" C++ developers could have made that same mistake. New code should not be written in C++. (I do wonder how Claude AI does when coding Rust, where at least you can be pretty sure that your code will work once it compiles successfully…

It does alright with Rust, but you can't assume it works as intended if it compiles successfully. The issue with current AI when solving complex or large scale coding problems is usually not syntax, it's logical issues and poor abstraction. Rust is great, but the borrow checker doesn't protect you from that. I'm able to use AI for Rust code a lot more now than 6 months ago, but it's still common to have it spit out s…

That's why I said "work" (i.e. probably will do something and won't crash) not "work as intended". Big difference there!

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by skerit »

scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

Sonnet or Opus? Well, I guess they both still can do that. But I'm just keeping on asking it to review all its code. To make sure it works. Eventually, it'll catch its errors.

Now this isn't a viable way of working if you're paying for this token-by-token, but with the Claude Code $200 plan ... this thing can work for the entire day, and you will get a benefit from it. But you will have to hold its hand quite a bit.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by willis936 »

zer00eyz wrote: post #77
kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

> and a pretty short view of history Great lets see an example! > To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accrue to a thin layer of people at the top isn't a speculation at this point - it's a bold faced lie. Except that innovation has lead to more jobs, new industries, and more prosperity and fewer working hours. The stark example of this: you arent a farmer: https://modernsurvivalblog.com/systemic…

I struggle to see how AI innovation falls into the "automate creation of material goods" camp and not the "stratification of wealth" camp.
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