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US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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There isn’t much technical details there either. They list the servers it connected to and log entry but that’s it. It mentions a CVE number but the apple link is generic and mo details on the CVE database. Has this even been fixed by apple?

we talking about state sponsored actor with zero day vuln here You would not find info anywhere

It's no longer a zero day if Apple already patched it.

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This is my irritating reminder that there is a whole marketplace of implant/CNE products, most of which you have never heard of, produced in basically every jurisdiction in the world. It used to be NSO Group that got all the press, now it's Paragon, and I think it's all for the good that the spotlight gets shone on these companies, but do keep in mind that this is not an "Israeli" phenomenon. There are American compa…

The issue isn't the mere existence of spyware companies globally. The issue is that Israeli companies in particular have cornered the market on selling to the world's worst human rights abusers, with catastrophic consequences. Let's be specific: NSO Group sold Pegasus to Saudi Arabia, who used it to track Jamal Khashoggi's inner circle before his assassination. They sold to Mexico, where it was used to target journal…

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> Graphite allows the operator to covertly access applications, including encrypted messengers like Signal and WhatsApp That's pretty obvious. Signal doesn't protect you against full device compromise. Any app can trivially extract your signal conversations

I don't think that's obvious for non-techies

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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"I honestly don't know how people work on things like Pegasus knowing it's being used to target and kill journalists and politicians." You can make many people do pretty much anything under orders, and even more by rewarding them. "I was just putting food on the table for my family..." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

FYI Milgram is one of the many popular examples of fake science, wiki link has some critical review links

I feel like dunking on personality psychology was Milgram’s big mistake. Live by the sword…

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It's the same awful industry. This software is used to hurt journalists, to try to stop dissent. And kill people like the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Not just same industry, but the same country of origin too actually.

Thankfully Asians don’t do spywares.

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> Graphite allows the operator to covertly access applications, including encrypted messengers like Signal and WhatsApp That's pretty obvious. Signal doesn't protect you against full device compromise. Any app can trivially extract your signal conversations

In that case, can Signal users take advantage of this to export their own messages?

Yes but one would have to exploit a similar vulnerability as was exploited in this story. Apple would patch it as soon as it became popular because it could be used for an attack like this one.

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This is my irritating reminder that there is a whole marketplace of implant/CNE products, most of which you have never heard of, produced in basically every jurisdiction in the world. It used to be NSO Group that got all the press, now it's Paragon, and I think it's all for the good that the spotlight gets shone on these companies, but do keep in mind that this is not an "Israeli" phenomenon. There are American compa…

The issue isn't the mere existence of spyware companies globally. The issue is that Israeli companies in particular have cornered the market on selling to the world's worst human rights abusers, with catastrophic consequences. Let's be specific: NSO Group sold Pegasus to Saudi Arabia, who used it to track Jamal Khashoggi's inner circle before his assassination. They sold to Mexico, where it was used to target journal…

I wonder how they find extremely talented exploit developers. The exploits they produce probably takes years to develop at minimum

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we talking about state sponsored actor with zero day vuln here You would not find info anywhere

It's no longer a zero day if Apple already patched it.

Just for the sake of being more precise...

On the “vulnerability” it could be considered a zero-day because there was a real exploit against it prior to the exploit being reported by security researchers. It could also be considered not a zero-day because the software vendor is aware of the vulnerability such that no other real exploit of it, regardless of it being patched, will occur on the same day that they learn of it.

It’s kinda moot that it’s been patched. Even if they somehow failed to patch it since the exploit, it is no longer a zero-day vulnerability. But, to your point, knowing that it has been patched is practically (obviously) the same as knowing that the software vendor is aware of the vulnerability.

(Funny enough, they could be aware of it and it still be a zero-day since the definition is how many days have past since the vendor learned of it prior to it being exploited. Though, it would need to be exploited after they learn about it but before they patch it, which is unlikely.)

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That bias is earned, especially over actions the US has committed covertly in Europe over the last 50 years.

Such as?

https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...

Here's some good reading if you're truly interested.

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No revision of history here. The Jews were living "happily" alongside the Muslims in the same way Native Americans have been living "happily" alongside the Europeans for the past 150 years. What choice do they have ? Fact: non-muslims lived as Dhimmi, meaning they paid a special tax to keep their "protected" status, which meant they would not be killed or enslaved. They could not bear witness against a Muslim, they c…

It is possible to live in peace. Fact: millions of Palestinians displaced by the haganah, Irgun, and the lehi terrorists now live in refugee camps while the Israelis live on their lands and in their houses. Everything else you wrote is just a bunch of propaganda to distract from the central issue. If you have a problem with the Turks take it up with them. The Palestinians however have a problem with you because you c…

I don't agree with your characterization of what happened (you keep saying "stole the land" but that's just not true).

But even if I did - why is this the root problem here, and yet not a problem for the millions of other people displaced in the world around the same time, and since then? There have been tens of millions of refugees around the world since 1948, they've all resettled elsewhere and stopped being refugees, not kept the idea of endless resistance until they reclaim their land, despite there being no way to achieve this without causing just as big a humanitarian disaster now, if not bigger.

You're right that if you consider the central issue to be the existence of Israel, everything else is "propaganda". But in no other case is it considered legitimate to wage endless war built on the idea of completely destroying a country that is recognized by almost every other country in the world.

So a more correct thing to say is that the central issue is that the Palestinians have never agreed to any form of living side-by-side with Israel, despite having several opportunities to do so, and have demands that are quite simply illegitimate.

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