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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Interesting. I provided three facts and an opinion that 1200 years of rule created a mindset that would not allow for the independence of those considered "inferior". You also realize that this 1200 year rule was based on violent conquest, slavery, ethnic cleaning, genocide, and apartheid. Your response is all conjecture and assumptions. There is no reason that there could not have been peace with two states in 1947.…

Stop trying to revise history. The Jews in Palestine were living happily alongside the Muslims. Problems didn’t start until the European Jews arrived to implement Zionism. The end of Ottoman Empire was decades before Zionist terrorists founded Israel (Lehi, Irgun, Haganah). These are facts. Israel was founded on theft and by ethnically cleansing Palestine of its indigenous people through non-stop atrocities and terro…

>The Jews in Palestine were living happily alongside the Muslims.

Sure. Just one example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safed_massacre

Must be an accident the most Right-wing Israeli voting block is composed exactly of the Jews who were living with Muslims.

>Einstein... refused to be associated with the Zionist project.

Well, not exactly:

https://www.britannica.com/story/the-time-albert-einstein-wa...

>Just admit it

To get close to a shared narrative, there's a need to connection to reality first... It can't be built on lies.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> Graphite allows the operator to covertly access applications, including encrypted messengers like Signal and WhatsApp

That's pretty obvious. Signal doesn't protect you against full device compromise. Any app can trivially extract your signal conversations

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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I'm not sure what you're talking about. Israel kept a small buffer zone around the border, but other than that, I'm not sure what "layered security exclusion zones" you mean. And Israel didn't just randomly shoot at unarmed civilians, it shot at people approaching the border. Given that Gaza was controlled by a terrorist organization with a stated goal of carrying out attacks on Israel, and given what happened on Oct…

> I'm not sure what you're talking about. Israel kept a small buffer zone around the border, but other than that, I'm not sure what "layered security exclusion zones" you mean. The buffer zone had different rules at different distances, and while you call it small it consisted of 17% of the land area of Gaza when Israel "completed" its "disengagement", and was later unilaterally expanded to 24% of the land area of Ga…

Do you have a source for this? These are much higher numbers than that I'm aware of outside of during specific skirmishes which usually lasted a few weeks at most.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> Israel is doing settler colonialism to people that had nothing to do with WW2 and the holocaust. If you have a problem with the Germans, take it up with Germany. > [...] it is a common understanding that they are being subjected to a Nazi extermination campaign by people (Christian and Jewish Zionists) claiming the Holocaust made them do it That is not what Israel is doing. Israel is attacking a semi-state that inv…

read up https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-holocaust-industry-reflect...

I'm not going to read an entire book, especially one written by someone I so little respect for, since he lies constantly and is, to put it mildly, biased against Israel.

What happened was that the state of Israel accepted reparations from Germany, and used it to build the State. This was controversial for many reasons, and was highly fraught politically. But that doesn't mean "the Zionists stole reparations", that's a silly and inflammatory way of looking at it.

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I would greatly appreciate if you didn't just assume things about me with absolutely no reason for it. Or do you also want people to assume everything about your views based on the average views of people in your country? > Such mindsets would never allow for achieving peace with neighbors through any strategy that isn’t built around dominance through violence. Just for the record, Israel has managed to achieve peace…

Israel has not achieved peaceful with its neighbors. Israel has achieved peace with the dictatorship governments that rule over their neighbors. The people of Jordan and Egypt resent the Israelis because of what the Israelis do to the Palestinians on a daily basis. You know settle their lands, destroy their houses, uproot their trees, murder their children, starve their civilians, etc etc.

So there is literally nothing you can credit Israel for? It hasn't even achieved peace in your eyes - despite signing at-the-time historic peace agreements that ended decades-long wars with its neighbors - because that's just with "the government" and not with the people. As if this is a standard applied to any other situation anywhere else in the world.

If Israel ever signs a peace deal with Palestinians, but the Palestinian populace still hates Israel, that would also not count as peace? What would count as peace besides Israel not existing?

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It's amazing that US and Israel are the only countries mentioned in the headline While the story itself is about Italy spying on a journalist in another EU country But I guess news sites needs them clicks

Or agenda.. Who knows?!

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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This is my irritating reminder that there is a whole marketplace of implant/CNE products, most of which you have never heard of, produced in basically every jurisdiction in the world. It used to be NSO Group that got all the press, now it's Paragon, and I think it's all for the good that the spotlight gets shone on these companies, but do keep in mind that this is not an "Israeli" phenomenon. There are American compa…

how come each time researchers find a new spyware, it's always an Israeli shop behind it ? maybe because Israel has developed an ecosystem and an industry around spying. I think it's evil to try to deflect the blame from israel given the fact it's currently committing genocide in Palestine

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It was a main driver of the initial Cold War and conditioned on policy, basically neutering european sovereignty and pushing Soviet in a similar direction to try and counter this effort. Political and economic dependency is a fallout that is still a problematic issue today, almost forty years after the fall of the USSR. The ongoing war in eastern Europe was pushed for by the US, more or less as a prolongation of the…

If you can't recognize the 60+ years of relative peace that efforts like the Marshall Plan brought us, I don't know how you can recognize any time period in recorded history as being "peaceful".

If "relative peace" in the sense that a world war is actually going on is the most peaceful you can imagine, then I don't see much potential in having a conversation with you.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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This is my irritating reminder that there is a whole marketplace of implant/CNE products, most of which you have never heard of, produced in basically every jurisdiction in the world. It used to be NSO Group that got all the press, now it's Paragon, and I think it's all for the good that the spotlight gets shone on these companies, but do keep in mind that this is not an "Israeli" phenomenon. There are American compa…

how come each time researchers find a new spyware, it's always an Israeli shop behind it ? maybe because Israel has developed an ecosystem and an industry around spying. I think it's evil to try to deflect the blame from israel given the fact it's currently committing genocide in Palestine

I imagine most of the time it would be pretty hard to attribute which company and from which country the spyware comes from.

I'm always amazed we know the origin of these sorts of things as much as we do.

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