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US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by kennywinker »

ty6853 wrote: post #242
kennywinker wrote: post #240

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This assumes wrongly that the problem in the region is multiple ethnic / religious groups. That is literal nazi ideology.

Ethnic/religious persecution amongst other ethnic/religious groups being the origin of Jewish strife is literally the ideology written by Herzl in the groundwork that argued for Israel, noting incompatibility with living amongst other ethnic groups in Europe, and I would note somewhat accurately considering the Nazis (and others) indeed went on an ethnically aligned campaign to kill them all off. Unwittingly, you are…

> Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology.

You don’t say?? A state that can only exist as the result of ethnic cleansing? A state that is currently committing numerous acts of genocide? Huhhh.

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Post by kennywinker »

ty6853 wrote: post #249
NickC25 wrote: post #244

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PEACE is? Nobody blowing eachother up is a bad thing?

When you consider the only way to achieve that is to first kill off all humans or set them into the stone age, yes I would say so.

So when you adopt a false core premise? Cool.

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Post by pcthrowaway »

sva_ wrote: post #171
LatteLazy wrote: post #116

I feel like anyone serious about doing actual journalism needs to start with a decent Cyber Security 101 course. Does anyone know of one?

I mean what can you feasibly do against these zero-click exploits? There's only really two things you can do: 1. keep your phone's identifiers secret, as they must target the devices in some way (like phone number/email/whatever) or 2. don't own a phone

> 2. don't own a phone

Honestly I don't think this is going to protect you if you are being targeted. We've already seen what can happen with pagers

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Post by hattimaTim »

fortran77 wrote: post #142
breppp wrote: post #4

It's amazing that US and Israel are the only countries mentioned in the headline While the story itself is about Italy spying on a journalist in another EU country But I guess news sites needs them clicks

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Post by kennywinker »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #239
guelo wrote: post #213

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> fighting terror using software is valid Only if you want to live in an Israeli-type society where a certain group is inherently suspicious and have no rights. Americans should be repulsed by that. That's why I don't buy the judeo-christian propaganda about how our values are the same. The western values are justice and due process and "all men are created equal", zionist values are "we are god's chosen", no holds b…

> where a certain group is inherently suspicious and have no rights what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights. > zionist values are "we are god's chosen", no holds barred "war on terror" with no due process, invoking religous amalek to commit genocide. That's some very specific claims. I challenge you to show any evidence for this. >Zionist values have been forced onto the west over t…

> what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights.

Disingenuous. The existence of arab israelis who enjoy some degree of equality within israel doesn’t refute the existence of an apartheid. A gazan can’t just decide they’re cool with israel and travel freely around the country they are occupied within.

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Post by cjpartridge »

coliveira wrote: post #10

Just a small part of the biggest spy network ever invented, which is woven into practically all software and tech infrastructure we use in the West and backed by large corporations with ties to that small country.

And even when said small country are gifted "defense" technology, they go and sell it to the gifter's (supposed) enemies.

Why do you need enemies with such "friends".

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Post by returningfory2 »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #192
returningfory2 wrote: post #101

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The fact that they share a head of state is irrelevant? If it was relevant, you could equally make the claim that Britain is under the "stewardship" of the Canadians. I think the British would be surprised to hear that!

Fine: "Also by floating proposals that the Danish *state* and British *monarch* cede their stewardship of Greenland and Canada to the USA." Yes, one still can be tedius and argue that the Throne's veto over Canadian legislation doesn't qualify as 'stewardship' (since it is supposed to be symbolic) The point of my comment (which I maintain) is that Britain has strong ties with Canada, and so Trump butting in, pushing…

Canada the country, being a democracy, is owned by the Canadian people, not the king (just like the United States is owned by the American people, not the president). If Trump encroaches on the sovereignty of Canada it is an affront to the Canadian people. What the British think is of distinctly secondary importance.

I'm not sure you see the irony of your stance. You're complaining about the American president butting into Canadian affairs because it infringes on some supposed colonialist rights of an absentee king.

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Post by sailfast »

burkaman wrote: post #95
sailfast wrote: post #7

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You are missing that facts are not universally known, and it is normal and good for news organizations to provide ongoing coverage of stories their readers might care about. Many people who read this article will have never heard of governments spying on domestic journalists, or Italy doing that, or the type of software used, or the US funding that software, or some combination of these things.

It's a good point! There is a good reason for the article. I just don't love the implications of the headline because software being used does not mean it's being used as intended or with the blessing of those countries. This headline could be any number of companies and organizations - including most major tech companies.

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Post by sailfast »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #57
kennywinker wrote: post #28

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Collections? Like debt collection? Where are you getting that? Or are you calling gov spyware on journalists phones normal?

>Collections? Like debt collection? Where are you getting that? It's a term used in the military/national security circles for intelligence gathering. https://www.intelligence.gov/careers/explore-careers/intelli... https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/do...

Apologies - perhaps I watch too many movies. Yes, I was speaking of intelligence or blackmail material collection that might be the goal of compromising someone's phone, etc.

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Post by hersko »

westpfelia wrote: post #167
hersko wrote: post #82

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So if a company in country A sells military arms to country B, country B is now part of country A's military network. Is that how this works now?

Works now? Thats how a customer base works.

A customer base means you are part of their military network? Really?
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