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US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by chrisweekly »

input_sh wrote: post #66
chrisweekly wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, you seem to be implying Italians are more likely to be considered fascists than are Americans. Is that because of the historical connection to Mussolini?

It's because the descendants of original fascists are currently ruling Italy. Including Alessandra Mussolini (AKA Benito Mussolini's granddaughter), who's not in the same party as Meloni, but is in coalition with Meloni's party.

Thanks. (That explains all the downvotes for an innocent - albeit ignorant - Q.)

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Post by guelo »

amarcheschi wrote: post #135

To give more context copy pasting my comment from a similar thread I would like to add that Paragon disagrees with COPASIR: (article in italian) https://www.fanpage.it/politica/paragon-smentisce-il-copasir ... They offered to give some information about who was surveilled by whom, but not surprisingly the Italian government refused (it was used by 2 secret service agencies in italy). At this point, Paragon stopped gi…

Thanks for providing us the corporation's propaganda.

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Post by kennywinker »

ty6853 wrote: post #208
NickC25 wrote: post #205

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Who is "them"? You wish to kill off all of Palestine, all of Israel, or both?

I don't wish to kill off anyone, because I think individual rights trump peace. Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution. Israel would work but it has a bigger population, and only one side or the other would have to be eliminated to achieve gaza-israel peace in that conflict. Of course we don't have any real say in the matter. They're being starved to death as…

JFC this is a really intensely bad line of thinking. This is literally the kind of zero-sum win or lose kill or be killed thinking that lead to the holocaust. There are so so so many other possible way to achieve peace that don’t involve the death of millions.

You very well might have applied this same logic to ireland during the troubles, and advocated for the extermination of all irish-Catholics or all irish-Protestants. Yet we have had 2-3 decades of peace now, and a resuming of violence seems unlikely.

It seems stuck and peace impossible because that serves to reinforce the goals of those with power in this situation. There are solutions, they just involve a small minority with a disproportionate amount of influence (e.g. US oil companies, ideological christian imperialists, zionist absolutists) not getting their way.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by kennywinker »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #214
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #76

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> There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government i emphatically beg to differ with this statement

Spies have saved so many lives throughout history and they prevented nuclear Armageddon during the Cold War on many occasions. Therefore the more spies the better. Better spies than more covid research at wuhan.

> they prevented nuclear Armageddon during the Cold War on many occasions

Spying created the conditions where we were on the brink of nuclear armageddon. That they also saved us from going over the brink isn’t really to their credit.

Also, fyi - as best as we can ever know there was no lab leak. If you want a good summary of why not - have a listen to the most recent “If Books Could Kill” podcast episode.

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Post by ty6853 »

kennywinker wrote: post #223
ty6853 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't wish to kill off anyone, because I think individual rights trump peace. Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution. Israel would work but it has a bigger population, and only one side or the other would have to be eliminated to achieve gaza-israel peace in that conflict. Of course we don't have any real say in the matter. They're being starved to death as…

JFC this is a really intensely bad line of thinking. This is literally the kind of zero-sum win or lose kill or be killed thinking that lead to the holocaust. There are so so so many other possible way to achieve peace that don’t involve the death of millions. You very well might have applied this same logic to ireland during the troubles, and advocated for the extermination of all irish-Catholics or all irish-Protes…

If the Arabs had just wiped out the settlers establishing Der Judenstaat near the turn of the 20th century, I have a real hard time coming to a calculus where it wouldn't have been more peaceful death tally than where we are at now.

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Post by jamiek88 »

tguvot wrote: post #141
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article there isn't actually any hard evidence that Italy was spying on this journalist. In fact the relevant Italian parliamentary oversight committee (COPASIR) investigated and said while there were activists surveilled by Italy, legally and with government authorization, a journalist (Cancellato) specifically was not.

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Why is this a dupe of the parent?

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Post by wesselbindt »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #218
wesselbindt wrote: post #78

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Oh get off it. We all know who pushed for the invasions. We all know who operated the black sites.

France forced the US into Vietnam , the real world is messy.

1. No they didn't, and that's not controversial. Even the most cursory Google search can dispell you of this notion.

2. "The world is messy" does not excuse countless war crimes. Imagine a lawyer in the Nuremberg trials saying "well sure the defendant sent children to the gas chamber, but your honor, have you considered that the world is a messy place?"

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Post by NickC25 »

ty6853 wrote: post #208
NickC25 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is "them"? You wish to kill off all of Palestine, all of Israel, or both?

I don't wish to kill off anyone, because I think individual rights trump peace. Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution. Israel would work but it has a bigger population, and only one side or the other would have to be eliminated to achieve gaza-israel peace in that conflict. Of course we don't have any real say in the matter. They're being starved to death as…

>Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution.

That's some of the most degenerate, nihilistic, disgusting, inhumane rhetoric I've ever seen. Ethnic cleansing and genocide is "the most peaceful solution"? What the fuck?

>once they all perish I don't think they'll be able to defend themselves or engage in hostilities.

No shit they won't be able to engage or defend themselves - they'll be dead long before that.

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Post by budududuroiu »

fortran77 wrote: post #142
breppp wrote: post #4

It's amazing that US and Israel are the only countries mentioned in the headline While the story itself is about Italy spying on a journalist in another EU country But I guess news sites needs them clicks

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